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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#44127: Sep 27th 2016 at 3:08:41 PM

I mean, I'm PRETTY sure people hate Super with a burning passion. If you literally step out of those Super videos on YT, everyone mentions how anything is better than it. Z, GT, fan projects, anything.

That being said, there is genuine optimism that this arc is getting better. I think it's way too early to say this is one of the best arcs in the franchise. It hasn't even played its biggest cards yet. (We don't know who or what Black actually is, we don't know how they're going to win, we don't know if non-Goku/Vegeta characters are going to get some relevance in the climax, ect).

For all we know, all those things are going to be crap and the arc...isn't going to be ruined, but definitely won't be "the savior of Super" anymore.

And the U6 tournament being amazing? Come on! There was barely anything of substance to even say it was good! Although I'd argue it might be better than that one similar 5v5 tournament in Dragon Ball.

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Reservoir A former adventurer... from Eastern US Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
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#44128: Sep 27th 2016 at 3:15:18 PM

As far as my opinion goes: I honestly haven't been keeping up with Super at all. Retreading BoG unnecessarily, and with less quality to boot, really pushed me off initially.

Now, someone posted just recently something to the effect that "Super doesn't have the kind of filler the original DBZ anime run did," and to that I kinda disagree. The scene where Vegeta gets mad at Berus, in Super, is cringeworthy in just how much time it took on-screen, and definitely rivals some of the long, drawn-out scenes the DBZ anime is known for.

I tried to get into Super again with the Tournament arc, but the filler crap continued there too. I think the Vegeta / Magetta(sp?) fight is what killed Super for me; when it's 60-70% talk, and only 30-40% fighting, you've lost me there. Not to mention that every character seems to take their time doing every goddamn thing, from Vegeta's whole damn fight with Magetta to the build up to Goku using the Kaio Ken Blue.

As for current stuff...Goku Black just comes across as an Edgelord, fan-made "DONUT STEEL" generic evil Goku character. Hell, he even out-Goku's GOKU himself — whereas Goku approaches every fight with new techniques and hidden levels of strength, Black just...seems to have it; all payout with no work, as it were. Example: Black fights SSJ2 Goku once, while in base, SURVIVES, and then somehow pulls out SSJR from out of nowhere just a little bit later? Black honestly comes across like a character suited more for a MUGEN match, i.e. Salty Bet, than an honest-to-god official show. Then again, since the series' formula has always been "big bad this week, bigger bad next week, bigger big bad the week after..." et cetra, I can't fault him, Toei, or Toriyama for that.

tl;dr, I'll wait for the Kai version of Super to cut out the pointless, stupid fat out of the scenes, and maybe I'll enjoy it to a degree, but even then there are characters and situations that just don't appeal to me at all, and I doubt giving the ax to the more filler-y parts will help with that.

edited 27th Sep '16 3:15:30 PM by Reservoir

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#44129: Sep 27th 2016 at 3:29:51 PM

There's never going to be a Super Kai. Heck, I think the only reason there was Kai in the first place was because Toei REALLY wanted a new DB series, and Toriyama said no. So they just decided to use their own existing assets and re-cut the series.

Kai wasn't even really successful for Toei, and that's why it didn't go to the Buu Saga until years later.

So...if you want to watch Super, you're going to have to stick with the padding. Or read the tie-in manga, which has its own issues, but at least is fast-paced.

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#44130: Sep 27th 2016 at 3:31:19 PM

I mean, everyone I talk to IRL who has seen Super says that it's good and they love Goku Black, but then again Super does have a lot of divisiveness to it.

Still better than GT at any rate.

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#44131: Sep 27th 2016 at 3:32:38 PM

Now, someone posted just recently something to the effect that "Super doesn't have the kind of filler the original DBZ anime run did," and to that I kinda disagree. The scene where Vegeta gets mad at Berus, in Super, is cringeworthy in just how much time it took on-screen, and definitely rivals some of the long, drawn-out scenes the DBZ anime is known for.

That's Padding, not Filler.

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#44132: Sep 27th 2016 at 4:30:51 PM

The Vegeta/Magetta fight is one of my favorite fights in Super thus far, and one of my Top 10 favorite fights in the entire series.

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#44133: Sep 27th 2016 at 5:09:40 PM

Super is a sequel to a series that ended over 10 years ago, of course its content is going to be contested if its good or not.

The only thing I can tell you is to check it out for yourself to see if you like it. If you were a fan of DBZ when you were younger then you might enjoy it, otherwise I can't really say much beyond that. There are legit criticisms that can be labelled toward Super, but none of which I feel put it really below the original series...

So in short, YMMV :V

edited 27th Sep '16 5:10:07 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#44134: Sep 27th 2016 at 5:56:43 PM

Magetta's ring out method was kinda BS.

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#44135: Sep 27th 2016 at 6:06:53 PM

OK, I was looking at a You Tube video of the scene where Beerus killed Zamasu, and I found this one comment that made me chuckle.

"Holy fuck he deleted that mofo, not the move to recycle bin type of delete though, he straight up shift-deleted that negus"

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#44136: Sep 27th 2016 at 6:39:24 PM

I looked up the scene and wow, that was badass.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44137: Sep 27th 2016 at 6:40:54 PM

Beerus finally did something again.

And it was badass.

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#44138: Sep 27th 2016 at 6:41:22 PM

Say what you want about Super, but it still carries over the streak of badass behavior from previous Dragon Ball arcs.

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#44139: Sep 27th 2016 at 6:50:41 PM

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#44140: Sep 27th 2016 at 7:19:53 PM

I will say, one thing that inarguably makes the Resurrection 'F' movie better than Super's version of that arc, is that it has Goku's One Inch Punch.

edited 27th Sep '16 7:26:43 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#44141: Sep 27th 2016 at 7:59:01 PM

@Lolypop:

The Universe 6 tournament was amazing. The Vegeta vs Cabba episode and the Goku vs Hit episodes were one of the best so far.

Also, i have seen discussion about Super outside of YT and it's either position or mix like in here.

edited 27th Sep '16 8:00:33 PM by Cortez

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#44142: Sep 27th 2016 at 11:06:09 PM

The tournament was fun. It was just a little bit soured to me by the fact that the only reason the first few opponents were even a challenge was because Goku and Vegeta were massively holding back until the very end. I know the series does this sometimes, but it's always a little frustrating to know there's no reason for the heroes to even be worried. Like, the moment they didn't go Blue, you realised they weren't going to lose.

Plus, you know, bringing in Piccolo and Majin Buu and barely doing anything with them.

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#44143: Sep 27th 2016 at 11:27:59 PM

I have LOL, what is it about the series that drew you to it to begin with? If I recall, you're pretty new to the franchise overall. Not taking a shot, I'm just curious since the things you have a problem with have been around for a while.

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#44144: Sep 27th 2016 at 11:55:48 PM

I mean, I got into it from Abridged. Thought I was going to make fun of it, but ended up enjoying it much more than I thought. I like the concepts. I like the characters. I like how earnestly it presents itself. I like the cool fight scenes. Do I need anything else?

I don't hate this series. Honestly, compared to other people I've seen on the internet, I'm very much a defender of Super. There are bigger critics of his series than I and they love this series just as much as anyone else. I guess some of them love the series so much that they especially don't like it when something isn't the best. Because they want it to stand on its own, without nostalgia.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#44145: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:09:35 AM

Is the theme that plays during Zamasu's destruction Beerus's?

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#44146: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:54:06 AM

According to Kazenshuu, the song is called "Beerus' Madness".

So, one of his themes, anway.

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#44147: Sep 28th 2016 at 2:35:53 AM

What I liked about the tournament fights is that they weren't just power-level based, we actually had special skills and strategies being applied. Botamo is immune to damage (meaning no amount of Super Saiyan Blue was going to make a dent on him), Magetta tried to wear down Vegeta by controlling battlefield temperature, Piccolo/Frost had a higher focus on strategy than what the series usually does, Hitto's whole thing was his time-stop...

(And not just the tournament, Zamasu did something similar, what with using his immortality for a suicide tag-team move)

Essentially, these are all things that the original Dragon Ball tournaments had, and I'm very glad to see them back.

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#44148: Sep 28th 2016 at 3:46:30 AM

Literally the only reason they weren't power level based was because Goku and Vegeta chose not to use their power levels.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#44149: Sep 28th 2016 at 4:49:23 AM

It is nearly impossible to make something objective out of something that is subjective, like what people like. Critics hate the live action Transformers movies, yet people keep seeing them, so it much have an appeal. I am someone who personally believe that you should like what you like, rather the majority opinion hates or like it. For example, I thought Iron Man was okay, despite everyone telling me it was the best super hero movie ever when it was released.

On Super, overall, the series has been well-regarded since at least the Champa Saga. In fact, even during the retellings that people like to hate, it got higher ratings than GT. And, as someone who visited a lot of forums, the Champa Saga was well-liked, with the major criticism being the lack of Gohan, Buu not fighting, Piccolo losing to Frost, and major villain. However, it didn't stop people from enjoying it for what it was, especially since Toriyama wrote it as lighthearted and people like that the fights weren't just Goku and Vegeta going to their full power and just wiping everyone, especially since U6 had unique abilities. Especially since characters in Dragon Ball always hold back during tournament. It just wasn't as obvious in the original series since there was no transformations so you had characters say, 'I will used my full power!' or 'I will give you a taste of my full power'. I mean, Goku cheesed his way through the 22nd and 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament until the final round.

And yes, the Future Trunks Saga, along with Goku Black and Zamasu, are considered by many fans to be one of the best in the franchise. You can disagree with personal taste, but those are the facts as they stand. For example, I don't like the Cell Saga and I don't like Cell. I find him a boring, uninspired villain and I would have preferred the androids to be the main villains instead of that giant mutant bug. However, I am fully aware that I am in the minority on that opinion since Cell and his saga is a fan favorite here in the US. So I respect that the saga and Cell are loved, even if I don't find it appealing.

edited 28th Sep '16 4:50:37 AM by Ramona122003

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#44150: Sep 28th 2016 at 4:54:04 AM

my parent's brutal murder would get more ratings from me than GT


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