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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#43901: Sep 21st 2016 at 11:15:58 AM

Some slight Xenoverse 2 story footage. It has early spoilers, so if you don't want to look, here's your warning.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#43902: Sep 21st 2016 at 11:25:51 AM

Gamestop really needs to fix their capture card.

Interesting how Turles and Slug are actively working with the Time Breakers instead of being mind-controlled.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43903: Sep 21st 2016 at 11:53:38 AM

My goodness who could that person in the mask possibly be?

Towa must be another Bardock fangirl because there are far more useful villains she could've enslav...

...though on the other hand enslaving a clairvoyant Saiyan who gets stronger every time he almost dies sounds stupidly useful. I mean the big problem she faced before was that Trunks and The Player had access to scrolls that detected anomalies in the timeline and were in a position to easily access those periods of time. With Bardock though she can maybe guesstimate when the Time Patrol is about to show up.

edited 21st Sep '16 11:53:56 AM by Soble

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43904: Sep 21st 2016 at 12:49:10 PM

The dub trailer for xenoverse is up.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43905: Sep 21st 2016 at 2:24:24 PM

[up][up]Bardock's clairvoyance works in such a way that he can't change the outcome of what he sees AND he can't control it. There are much, MUCH better options to choose from. Hell, Cell alone is so unbelievably superior to Bardock in almost every way that it makes him look like a complete joke, mostly because he has all of Bardock's advantages, minus the clairvoyance bit, and unlike Bardock, Cell can regenerate from being almost killed.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43906: Sep 21st 2016 at 2:51:42 PM

You say that, and yet Heroes probably made Bardock stronger than Beerus because of how he scales to SS4 Goku/Vegeta.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43907: Sep 21st 2016 at 3:51:19 PM

And yet again, do not use Heroes to try to figure out how strong a character is. Heroes does not give a single fuck how strong a character is when they're hyping them (or at any point really).

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#43908: Sep 21st 2016 at 3:54:56 PM

Fusions has Whirus.Clearly most OP there is.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43909: Sep 21st 2016 at 3:56:20 PM

Yes, but both games are made by Dimps; you also seem to forget that Xenoverse lets you beat God-level fighters as just a human, and as a Saiyan who can only go up to the second SS level. Let's not forget that Xenoverse also had Great Ape Bardock help you beat Legendary Super Saiyan Broly, in Villainous Mode; this series couldn't give less of a damn about scaling even if it tried.

edited 21st Sep '16 3:56:57 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43910: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:03:43 PM

Videogames. In Xenoverse, you can beat SSJ 4 Gogeta with Yamcha.

There is such a thing as necessary Gameplay and Story Segregation.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#43911: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:04:40 PM

Balance!In NUNS,nuking a continent and a strong punch always deal the same damage.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43912: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:07:47 PM

[up][up] That was in the game's story though, so it matters in this case.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43913: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:28:34 PM

Again, videogames.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43914: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:29:36 PM

It doesn't, especially it's made clear they just let you win.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43915: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:37:20 PM

...except this is happening in a video game as well, so why are you even arguing about this not making sense; Bardock is being used because he's powerful enough in the Xenoverse series to stand up to LSSJ Broly as a Great Ape, so making him a Time Breaker is going to make him godly when you fight him in Xenoverse 2.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43916: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:39:50 PM

Not necessarily, because this is a videogame. I don't understand what part of it you can't parse, because it's pretty simple: it's a videogame. It does not give a fuck about how strong the characters actually are in relation to each other.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43917: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:58:38 PM

So let's take a step back here and pass around the Stick of Reasoning.

-holds up the stick of reasoning-

Yes, Towa could've made smarter choices. I think though that Bardock's inability to affect things applies to him, and even then, his choices were impacted by the visions happening randomly and him having little ability to do anything about it. Someone like Towa, however, can travel through time at will, so she could potentially course-correct for any vision Bardock has. But the games aren't going to get that complicated no matter the amount of wishful thinking.

Still, Bardock's visions are the only plausible reason I can see for in-universe for her to brainwash Bardock of all people - unless Gokus' dad really just is a Chick Magnet or something. She does kind of look like a succubus.

Obviously the theme of this game seems to be movie villains and it's nice to have them around - also it's a pretty blatant reference to DBO where Bardock became a Time Breaker.

Anyway.

Dragonball Heroes mixes and matches power levels, but remember the story in that game IIRC is that it all takes place in an online video game that Capsule Corp created. Nothing has to make sense, nothing has to be relevant, none of the power levels have to make sense.

IANCE is saying Heroes is not a good measure of how strong anybody is. That is correct. Gojira is saying that most of the games have characters scale to Strong as They Need to Be. This is also correct. Neither of these arguments invalidates the other. In regards to Bardock, it's quite likely that Towa's magical BS will power him up or why else would he even be in the game? We know that's what's going on with Tullece and Slug.

...so then what is this disagreement even about?

...

...I'm done with this.

-throws the stick of reasoning at a wall and leaves to grab some dinner-

edited 21st Sep '16 5:04:15 PM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#43918: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:12:41 PM

<Grabs reasoning stick>

I'M KING OF THE FUCKING MOUNTAIN!!!!!

ALL HAIL ROB!!! AND HIS UNIQUE BRAND OF TYRANNY!!!!

One Strip! One Strip!
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43920: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:25:01 PM

Shit. Someone grab the Saigaballs and wish that Rob never picked that up. Whoever created the reasoning stick put way too much debating power into that thing, and with the stick in hand Rob is pretty much unstoppable.

edited 21st Sep '16 5:56:37 PM by Soble

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#43921: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:40:05 PM

Don't worry, knowing Rob, he'll beat himself with the reasoning stick in no time flat.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#43922: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:51:34 PM

[up]

.....

<Puts on Anti Reasoning helmet>

What now smart guy?

And now, my thousand year reign of darkness begins! MWA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA!!!!

One Strip! One Strip!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#43923: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:53:12 PM

So, any of y'all gonna get Fusions and Xenoverse 2?

edited 21st Sep '16 5:53:23 PM by Rinsankajugin

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#43924: Sep 21st 2016 at 5:53:33 PM

Shouldn't the stick and the helmet cancel each other out though?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43925: Sep 21st 2016 at 6:02:01 PM

any of y'all gonna get Fusions and Xenoverse 2?

GrrrhcollegeFallout4nogameboy3DSImabrokeasspiratewench.

If I had to pick one though I'm actually kind of split.

Fusions looks outrageous and the idea of fusing anybody with anybody is all too amusing. But on the the other hand it's an Excuse Plot as far as I can tell, and the gameplay is a sort of chibi-style Arc The Lad - it works for that game because it has an engaging plot and protagonists. But Fusions feels more like "Dragonball - Gotta Fuse'em All!"

Xenoverse 2 looks faster and fun and I really want to make my own Time Patroller. But despite how awesome the trailers look I know the story's not going to be anything to write home about. I expect the same grind-heavy progression system, the same or worse online issues, and I'm not really hyped about a large city to explore or taking Garlic Jr or Captain Ginyu as personal mentors. Or any more awkward textbox cutscenes where characters pose and don't stop posing until the next bit of dialogue comes up.

Both have crazy ideas that never would have worked for any other series. Both are RPG's that'll inevitably require some amount of grinding. Considering I have neither a PS 4 or a DS it really would be one or the other for me. At this point though, Xenoverse 2 would probably be a time dump whereas Fusions could just be a time-killer. I'd probably go with that.

edited 21st Sep '16 6:15:08 PM by Soble

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