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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43876: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:26:01 PM

Let me get this straight.

Dabura punked not only the Supreme Kai but also Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo - three of the strongest warriors on the planet - in his first appearance. This establishes him as King Sh't Motherf'cker right off the bat. The Z-Fighters had every advantage - Goku can teleport, Vegeta can nuke cities, Piccolo can hear really far, and it took Babidi half an hour or more to figure out that Vegeta is kind of a jerk. Supreme Kai had warned them all about how dangerous Buu and Babidi would ultimately turn out to be.

The Z-Fighters completely drop the ball here, Buu gets released, you know the rest.

But here:

Manga-talk: Trunks trains for a bit, unlocks Super Saiyan 2, and walks all over Dabura in both Super the anime and Super the manga. I mean Trunks takes Dabura down on his own and handles the situation without triggering Majin Buu's revival.

So in short Future Trunks is a badass as usual. The universe is (or at least was) much safer with Trunks being the only Z-Fighter alive.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:38:34 PM by Soble

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#43877: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:34:13 PM

I dunno. I like Chapter 16, but it feels a little bit too fanservice-y to me. Like Hey, look! Trunks gets to beat Dabura! Trunks trains with the Z-Sword! Trunks doesn't mess around! Like usual! If he was the main character, this story would be resolved in about 5 seconds!

It doesn't help that, you know, he's literally taking Gohan's role. Both in terms of the plot and in terms of what he does in the chapter. That's always a little sad. To me.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:34:23 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#43878: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:00:05 PM

Well that's kind of always been Trunk's character; he's not interested in fighting for the sake of fighting, he's gonna find the quickest way to end it and be done with it.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#43879: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:43:23 PM

The heroes' problem in the Buu saga was that they weren't taking things very seriously. Goku, Vegeta, even Gohan were treating the assault on Babidi's ship like a game.

Future Trunks, on the other hand, is not that kind of fighter. Fighting has never been a game to him; it's always been life and death. We don't get to see it much because he's usually outclassed against the villain at the moment, but when he's stronger than his opponent (or at least even), the fight doesn't tend to last long.

To put it another way, Goku's and Vegeta's goal is generally to win the fight and overcome the challenge. Future Trunks's goal is to end the threat.

edited 19th Sep '16 10:44:59 PM by DarkHunter

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#43880: Sep 19th 2016 at 11:17:36 PM

@Handsome Rob:

Black Doesn't kill Trunks we he could have. He only stuck around long enough tomake sure Supreme Kai died

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#43881: Sep 20th 2016 at 6:05:50 AM

Actually, things turned out worse in the Super manga. Kibito and the Supreme Kai both died, Dabura destroyed the Z-Sword, which killed Old Kai since it was stone at the time, which kills Beerus. Trunks didn't even beat Dabura by himself. A dying Supreme Kai had to hold him down. So despite the heroes screw-ups in the main timeline, none of the gods died and even a rusty Gohan would have eventually beat Dabura. So manga Trunks, despite being more powerful than anime Trunks, kinda sucks. Everyone died on his watch.

And Black had s prime opportunity to kill Trunks, but he instead grabbed the Idiot Ball.

edited 20th Sep '16 6:07:53 AM by Ramona122003

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#43882: Sep 20th 2016 at 6:45:08 AM

Not to mention that the circumstances needed to make Trunks that way was that most of the human population, including most everyone Trunks knew and loved, had to be violently murdered by two dickbag cyborgs that couldn't give a fuck about anything if they tried.

edited 20th Sep '16 6:46:25 AM by Zeromaeus

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43883: Sep 20th 2016 at 7:16:19 AM

Fair enough.

But no Majin Buu and presumably no Beerus are some okay trade-offs. Old Kai's a perv who doesn't want reality-altering spheres to revive innocent people killed by an omnicidal demon despite having no thesible drawback to the last 6-8 times they've been used (like if we ignore GT the two bad wishes we've seen were King Piccolo and Freeza). And I'm pretty sure illegals were still taking our jobs in Future Trunks's timeline, so in the long run, Trunks's timeline is almost, finitely better for the American people.

Like the real loss is Bulma who probably could have revolutionized the healthcare system if she'd put her mind to it.

Also I suppose Van Zant might still be alive, if the Androids didn't kill him and Buu didn't kill him. Hopefully Black did.

edited 20th Sep '16 7:24:24 AM by Soble

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#43884: Sep 20th 2016 at 7:26:28 AM

Old Kai's dislike of the reality-altering spheres probably has less to do with any drawback to the spheres, and more to do with the 'reality-altering' aspect. Artifacts that can break the universe tend not to be looked upon fondly by the architects of said universe.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43885: Sep 20th 2016 at 8:02:22 AM

I don't mind going over the Dabura fight again, since it revealed what happened to Old Kai, why Kibito couldn't save Supreme Kai, and how Trunks became a Super Saiyan 2.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#43886: Sep 20th 2016 at 8:57:38 AM

The Super manga really does try its best to fill in some of the storyline holes that the anime glosses over, doesn't it?

But man, the Majin Buu saga, Future Trunks version, was definitely rough. Literally no room for error in that timeline.

... Also as usual the comments to the spoilers in other sites show how people seem to have issues wrapping their minds around how seriously hands-off the Gods are in Dragonball.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#43887: Sep 20th 2016 at 3:46:16 PM

The anime didn't really have holes that needed to fill since no one died unlike the manga. It was basically, Dabura and Babidi came, there was a big battle, Tunks won. The manga added all the drama of everyone except Trunks dying and Black seeing it before pulling a Bond villain and leaving without taking out Trunks. How Trunks got Super Saiyan 2 in the manga doesn't make sense either since why would Kibito's death of all things trigger him. He hardly knew him. Before someone mentions 16, it was his words to Gohan that trigger his transformation. His death was just the final straw. Also, Goku and Vegeta got Super Saiyan 2 without getting mad.

There is a different between being hands off mortal affairs vs. letting some madman murder all the gods. If Black was just killing mortals like he seems to doing in the anime, sure, I can see the gods not doing anything. Having the entire upper tier wipe out, is an emergency since someone is undermining Zen-O.

edited 20th Sep '16 3:50:08 PM by Ramona122003

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#43888: Sep 21st 2016 at 12:02:37 AM

[up]X2

Not really and there weren't any real holes. The manga also raises other issues.

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#43889: Sep 21st 2016 at 1:51:11 AM

@Soble Dabra only punked the Saiyans while they were in their base form, and none of them were impressed by it either.

Then he fights a rusty Gohan, and Goku and Vegeta both comment on how he's basically nothing. The only reason the Boo arc happened is because Vegeta and Goku were being Vegeta and Goku.

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#43890: Sep 21st 2016 at 3:14:36 AM

It also ironically wouldn't have happened had Goku and Vegeta just left it for Gohan to solve on his own.

While it IS just a what if written for a videogame, IIRC Tenkaichi 2 has Goku and Vegeta basically ignore the entire situation to have their fight and later come in to solve it in like five seconds because it's interrupting their fun.

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#43891: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:51:40 AM

They ignore it at first...and deal with it after the tournament.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#43892: Sep 21st 2016 at 6:56:24 AM

Actually, Buu awakening because Vegeta had to be an impatient dick and his jealousy of Goku being stronger than him. If they literally left Vegeta behind, Buu's revival would have been prevented.

I will say it is partly Goku's fault in that he should have gone Super Saiyan 3 and just stomped Vegeta and gotten it over with.

Also, Goku admitted that Dabura was much better than he originally thought, but he was still sure Gohan would have eventually won.

edited 21st Sep '16 6:57:21 AM by Ramona122003

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#43893: Sep 21st 2016 at 7:18:17 AM

That true.

While Gohan wasn't doing as well as he should have, Dabura was doing no damage.

That being said, Goku should have ended the fight quickly by going SSJ 3 when he had the chance. Or at least, as soon as he realized he and Vegeta were too equal.

Of course, we know the reason he didn't is because he didn't have it when Toriyama wrote those chapters, but still.

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#43894: Sep 21st 2016 at 7:22:11 AM

Super Saiyan 3 might have awoken Boo from the energy bleed off anyway.

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#43895: Sep 21st 2016 at 7:33:15 AM

Would. I thought that would only work with damage inflicted by a Maji servant.

If Goku went three, he'd be so strong I'd expect Vegeta to be completely incapable of hurting him, and that he'd end the fight in seconds.

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#43896: Sep 21st 2016 at 7:34:35 AM

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#43898: Sep 21st 2016 at 7:51:10 AM

I feel like there's a recent trend in gaming to not bother with dubbing at all. They couldn't even be assed to dub to the trailer.

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#43899: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:12:29 AM

Dubbing is expensive if its an overseas game.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#43900: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:12:54 AM

I hope the localization has the online capabilities from the recent update built in.

I wanna fight random people online with a team of Pickon, Cell 17, Daccolo, Shortoni (Fem-Ginyu) and the Gun Namekian.


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