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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#43776: Sep 16th 2016 at 3:05:09 PM

It doesn't help that if you look at him, Goku looks like he should have a manly voice.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43777: Sep 16th 2016 at 3:08:00 PM

I understand the reason for keeping the voice is because Goku is pure and childlike and stuff, but it doesn't really scream that to me.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#43778: Sep 16th 2016 at 3:15:37 PM

If the objective was for him to be 'childlike', maybe he shouldn't look like an adult, grown ass man.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43779: Sep 16th 2016 at 3:20:45 PM

Childlike in nature; you really don't understand how this works huh?

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#43780: Sep 16th 2016 at 3:44:35 PM

But one's nature shouldn't have any effect on one's physical body, which is what determines a person's voice.

And it's not like it's impossible to portray an innocent, childlike nature with a grown man's voice.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#43781: Sep 16th 2016 at 3:51:04 PM

That's just how it sounds to us...

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43782: Sep 16th 2016 at 3:51:30 PM

No, I'm arguing with IANCE since he's saying that Goku isn't "childlike" because he's a grown-ass man.

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Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#43783: Sep 16th 2016 at 4:36:05 PM

Why is he sometimes referred to as "Son Goku" and just "Goku" in others?

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#43784: Sep 16th 2016 at 4:40:43 PM

"Son Goku" is his full name (remember in Japanese the family name comes first).

The English dub of the anime rarely mentions the "Son" name and pretty much always calls him "Goku".

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43785: Sep 16th 2016 at 5:07:59 PM

I always took it as a call back to his influences. Figures of old school legends and myths being referred to by their full names is totally a thing in some stories, including with Sun Wukong.

edited 16th Sep '16 5:08:26 PM by KnownUnknown

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#43786: Sep 16th 2016 at 5:11:24 PM

Childlike in nature; you really don't understand how this works huh?

How childlike his nature is should have all of zero effect on his voice. It should affect his speech, his vocabulary and his mannerisms. But his voice has nothing to do with his nature and all to do with how a specific part of your body is shaped.

If they wanted him to have a childlike voice, he should have a childlike body to match. Fact of the matter is, Nozawa's voice is terribly ill-fitting for Goku's character design. And no, I'm not saying this because I dislike it, I prefer it over Sean Schemmel's voice for Goku.

But I know for a fact that you can represent Goku's nature with an adult's voice. Hell, Sean himself manages to pull it off, and I can assure you, so does Mario Castañeda. `

[up]Sun Wukong comes from a Chinese story. You'll find that very common.

See: Dynasty Warriors. You'll almost never hear someone say only the given name of any given officer. It'll always be the full name. Which is funny, because Dynasty Warriors rarely runs into the problem of having people with similar given names, but has a lot of unrelated people who have the same surname.

(Zhang Jiao and his brothers share a name with the totally unrelated Zhang Liao, for instance).

edited 16th Sep '16 5:15:26 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#43787: Sep 16th 2016 at 6:21:48 PM

I mean, when you look at the context behind it, it makes sense why they kept Nozawa on. Goku grows up in the 23rd tournament, but he looks and acts exactly the same, so why would his voice suddenly change?

I personally have absolutely no issue with Nozawa as Goku, so...yeah. I'm not going to say people who don't like her voice are just wrong, but I don't get why people get so upset over it. It was very easy to get used to for me.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#43788: Sep 16th 2016 at 6:29:09 PM

His voice would change...because Saiya-jin puberty...

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#43789: Sep 16th 2016 at 6:39:28 PM

Except, you know, every character in this show is voiced by the same person throughout their life. No one complains that Krillin is still voiced by a woman. Or that Kid Trunks is voiced by the same guy as Future Trunks. And Nozawa's adult Goku IS significantly different to her Kid Goku.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43790: Sep 16th 2016 at 6:44:57 PM

I got used to the voice pretty easily, but the contrast is still funny.

TFRazorsaw Since: Sep, 2010
#43791: Sep 16th 2016 at 6:48:09 PM

I imagine how iconic Nozawa's performance is, and Japan's reluctance to recast people a lot of the time, has more to do with why he's never been recasted than the innocence and purity of the character.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#43792: Sep 16th 2016 at 6:52:39 PM

Yes, that's my guess too.

Usually, I appreciate that Japan makes an effort to keep VA's the same for the same character, but in this case... yeah.

I mean, there are some men who do have high-pitched voices (Vic Mignogna, looking at you), but it just seems so wrong for Goku.

I have similar complaints about Krillin, but Goku pops up in this discussion a lot more often.

edited 16th Sep '16 7:00:58 PM by DarkHunter

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#43793: Sep 16th 2016 at 7:12:57 PM

Goku, being, you know, the more important character, would naturally get more complaining about his voice than Krillin would.

I honestly don't mind it as much as it might seem - I'm just arguing that it's an ill fitting voice and not what you would expect a guy that looks like that to sound like.

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#43794: Sep 16th 2016 at 7:19:34 PM

My opinions on the three voices for Goku that I care about:

Masako Nozawa: the most skilled and experienced by far, she is the best voice actor here, but as a voice for Goku, she's my least favorite. 8/10

Sean Schemmel: not quite as skilled and experienced as Nozawa, his Goku voice is still changing ever so slightly over time, but I feel that he fits Goku better than Nozawa does. 9/10

Masako X: nowhere near as skilled or experienced as any of the other two, but his Goku voice is my favorite. 9.5/10

edited 16th Sep '16 7:27:49 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#43795: Sep 16th 2016 at 7:20:42 PM

Nothing about Kirby Morrow from the Ocean dub?

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#43796: Sep 16th 2016 at 7:25:45 PM

The three voices for Goku that I care about.

edited 16th Sep '16 7:27:00 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#43797: Sep 16th 2016 at 7:27:18 PM

I actually think that MasakoX is probably the best argument on how you can have a male voice still sound childlike and innocent.

It probably helps that he takes a lot of inspiration from Nozawa, and tries to match her performance.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43798: Sep 16th 2016 at 7:46:25 PM

Except, you know, every character in this show is voiced by the same person throughout their life.

Gohan? Videl?

Heck, I think Kid Goku's VA later went onto voice Teen Gohan, and back to Goku in GT.

My opinions on the three voices for Goku that I care about:

I haven't listened to much of Nozawa but I never cared much for her portrayal of Goku. Thanks to Super though I've grown fond of "SUPA-KAI-OH-KEN" and "BLACK-KU" and "BEEUR-WRIS-SAMA".

I like Ocean Goku but his time to shine was in the Saiyan and Freeza sagas when Goku was younger - I mean Goku sounds like a bad dude here. But Schmmel does a better "older" Goku. I mean, come on.

I never really rate TFS voices. It's supposed to be a parody so it's kind of unfair.

edited 16th Sep '16 7:50:35 PM by Soble

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#43799: Sep 16th 2016 at 8:17:16 PM

I've never been a fan of Nozawa's adult Goku (though I do very much like her portrayal of Black) but I can certainly respect how iconic it is for the Japanese audience and, if I'm being totally honest, I don't really like Masako X's Goku either. I don't think he does a bad job or anything like that, I'm just not a fan of that interpretation.

The one that really confuses me is Nozawa as Bardock. That one's just weird on all levels.

This song needs more love.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#43800: Sep 16th 2016 at 8:20:59 PM

[up][up]But you can take them somewhat seriously as voice actors...even as a parody group.

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