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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43001: Aug 20th 2016 at 4:31:10 PM

Well actually, it's more like we never got any form of confirmation that Goku actually absorbed the power of Super Saiyan God into himself in the manga; the fact that the entire Frieza thing was skipped over also means that it could skip showing the "Base Goku vs Final Frieza who is way stronger than his third restriction form that was already too strong for anyone else to deal with" thing, so it's possible that the base and SS/SS2/SS3 power levels for the Saiyans are actually fairly close to their levels during the Buu Saga, and God and Blue are needed for anyone to get near the levels of Gods.

edited 20th Aug '16 4:32:51 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#43002: Aug 20th 2016 at 4:34:42 PM

Are you responding to me or LOLypop?

But even with Goku being his Boo arc self, the manga's decision to have Trunks put up a fight against Super Saiyan 3 Goku is unusual. I do wonder if Toyotarou is building up to something here.

Like the return of Super Saiyan God, or it being used in this chapter. This might be what Toriyama was talking about with Toyotarou's ideas, he might have plans for the Super Saiyan God form.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43003: Aug 20th 2016 at 4:41:13 PM

I was responding to LOL, but you posted while I was writing that.

I mean, according to Trunks it's been 10 years in his timeline between him killing the Androids and Cell and Black appearing, he probably could get up to at least Goku's mortal power if he kept his training up that entire time, though that doesn't explain the "Super Full Power Saiyan 2" thing he went into that can match Super Saiyan 3 in power; either he somehow learned to weaponize the same fury boost that Vegeta gained for himself, learned how to modify the power of the form in accordance to 2 and 3 just being mutations of the first form, or it's something specific to the royal Saiyan line. That or Trunks was just suppressing his power as a Super Saiyan 2, and only went all out when Goku went Super Saiyan 3.

edited 20th Aug '16 4:55:29 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#43004: Aug 20th 2016 at 4:43:30 PM

@Gojira

Were you living under a rock when Aliens Colonial Marines happened?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#43005: Aug 20th 2016 at 4:44:12 PM

Eh. I see your point, but still prefer Kaioken myself.

That's Rob's story, and he's sticking to it.

P.S. Yamcha rules.tongue

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43006: Aug 20th 2016 at 4:59:31 PM

To be fair, the manga is probably better in that it actually gave an explanation as to why Hit's Time Leap was less effective on Goku as he got stronger, instead of giving us "Goku is faster than stopped time" as an explanation like Toei did.

...the explanation is still "Goku is faster than stopped time." The manga just says "Hit can't stop you if you're stronger than him" so it expands to "anyone stronger than Hit is faster than stopped time."

Whis says, "Goku has not only closed the power gap that existed between the two, but has now surpassed the previous power differential between he and Hit. A unique ability such as this only works at maximum efficiency on those equal to or lesser than the users' own power and level. (Super, Ch 13, pg 19)

I also don't like how Kaio-ken x10 on top of Goku requires the gap between Beerus to be opened up even further. I liked Goku being around the 6-7 to Beerus' 10 as per the original numbers, not this new direction where even with SSB or SSG Goku seems to be far inferior to him.

Beerus starts to sweat after realizing that Goku intended to use SSB-K on him. This shows the gap decreasing. Before, even when Goku unlocked SSG, Beerus wasn't truly impressed - even at the end of the battle, he was mildly surprised Goku canceled out his energy blast and merely admitted Goku had talent.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43007: Aug 20th 2016 at 5:03:04 PM

Which means the Time Skip was becoming less effective on Goku as he got stronger; it's like if DIO's Time Stop started to decrease in the amount of time it affected the further above him his foes became. It's not the same thing as straight up moving in stopped time, when no explanation like the one in the manga was given in the anime.

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#43008: Aug 20th 2016 at 5:03:36 PM

I hope Zeno and his bodyguards are playable in Xenoverse 2. Just to see how much they can get wrong later on down the road, regarding their fighting styles and moves.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43009: Aug 20th 2016 at 5:04:18 PM

Zeno's fighting style is just "You dead now".

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#43010: Aug 20th 2016 at 5:13:50 PM

I despised the manga for giving Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan such a stupid weakness, especially since Goku and Vegeta had three years in the Hypobolic Time Chamber to train the form. A 90% drop from transformating twice? Really? And Vegeta looks like a freaking moron for not staying transform after beat Cabba since that apparently would have saved him energy. And how is bringing back the Kaio-Ken more of a call back than the manga pulling Super Saiyan God out of nowhere. And it wasn't even really needed. It was there for fan service.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43011: Aug 20th 2016 at 5:15:01 PM

Which means the Time Skip was becoming less effective on Goku as he got stronger ... It's not the same thing as straight up moving in stopped time,

I don't really see how it's all that different.

All the manga is doing is providing an explanation from Whis instead of Goku, and explaining that Hit's power is proportional to who he's fighting against. The result is still "being stronger than Hit lets you beat his time-stop," except in the anime it's Kaioken that does this and in the manga it's Super Saiyan Blue.

Goku is able to move while time is stopped in both scenarios.

edited 20th Aug '16 5:57:06 PM by Soble

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43012: Aug 20th 2016 at 5:35:19 PM

So Super Saiyan Rose is indeed for real.

ComicX6 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43013: Aug 20th 2016 at 5:51:11 PM

Also, we all know who's going to defeat Black now: Yajirobe

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#43014: Aug 20th 2016 at 6:23:55 PM

Oy, people are doing DBF fanart:

Also, the new episode was pretty neat, can't wait to see how that Zeno button is gonna be used. Also, Super Saiyan Rose Black is just as awesome as I imagined!

Also, new Xenoverse 2 commercial:

Also also, footage of the Tree of Might stage:

edited 20th Aug '16 6:27:55 PM by Rinsankajugin

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43015: Aug 21st 2016 at 1:22:23 AM

Today's episode also confirmed the Kais being linked to the Gods of Destruction thing.

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#43016: Aug 21st 2016 at 3:25:04 AM

Seeing Yajirobe in Future Trunks's timeline is one of the coolest pieces of fanservice so far. No one ever said HE was killed by the Androids...

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#43017: Aug 21st 2016 at 9:35:43 AM

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I re-call a clip of him being killed in The History of Trunks actually

But what does that have to do with today's ep?

Zen-O is essentially a big kid huh? No wonder he and Goku get along so well.

Also, Zamasu being Black is being pushed so hard, I keep expecting him to be a Red Herring to be honest. I'm more suspicious of Gowasu right now.

edited 21st Aug '16 9:36:58 AM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#43018: Aug 21st 2016 at 10:40:11 AM

Toriyama is fond of subversion of expectations. That's why Majin Buu was an obese pink manchild after all.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#43019: Aug 21st 2016 at 11:22:20 AM

Sometimes a little too fond mind you, but we'll see how things go.

Then again, what would be the subversion in this case:

Zamasu being Black when they hammered home that they must be him, making us think he must be a Red Herring, Or Zamasu not being Black because they hammered it home so much, making us think they are trying to make him the obvious choice so we won't suspect him of actually being Black?

I'm no longer sure at this point myself. Both are possible at this point, which means that if he really wants us to be surprised, have Black be someone no-one would suspect at all.

Like that new dude who was introduced in today's ep. He'd be unexpected for Black's identity.

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#43020: Aug 21st 2016 at 12:02:52 PM

Except Zamasu is almost exactly as strong as Black is and the High Priest eclipses Whis in strength. Also, I like how this arc we had an evil Goku, and last arc we had an evil Vegeta.

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#43021: Aug 21st 2016 at 12:20:37 PM

Goku is friends with King of Everything. And has a button that allows to summon him. That's pretty cool.

High Priest is even stronger than Whis, and looks like he's from the same species. Is there like a planet of unbelievably strong blue people?

The King's palace looks really cool... and I love how the universes are actually lawn ornaments.

Oh, they finally go to the future. And it ends on a cliffhanger that is not actually very clifhangy.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43022: Aug 21st 2016 at 1:27:11 PM

Hey if Zamasu is Black, does that mean they will run into a problem if they have to kill him.

I mean, the God of Destruction of universe 10 probably have issues with it.

Unless Zamasu doesn't count as a Supreme Kai yet.

edited 21st Aug '16 1:28:15 PM by Cortez

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#43023: Aug 21st 2016 at 1:35:35 PM

wild mass guess Black will be the friend Goku introduces to Zenou. He'll be too busy playing with the Omniking to do any purging.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#43024: Aug 21st 2016 at 1:36:02 PM

Well, Buu killed 4 out of 6 Kaioshins in U7 without anything happening to Beerus, so I imagine if Gowasu is still around, U10's Destruction God will be alright.

Also, Zamasu doesn't count as a full Kaioshin yet, I think. I believe they said he was being elevated to the position, and when they time-travelled, Gowasu basically said "Only Kaioshin are allowed to do this, so we'll temporarily grant you that status."

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43025: Aug 21st 2016 at 2:25:33 PM

Goku has officially befriended God. Or at least the highest level of God we know of.

He's met and surpassed two gods that are assigned to Earth.

He's surpassed the greater god that watches over the rest of the universe.

He's impressed a destroyer god stronger than those gods.

And now he's friends with the god that scares Beerus.

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