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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42951: Aug 19th 2016 at 2:15:51 PM

Well he's supposed to be the Goku from Online from what I've heard; i.e the one who had that final battle with Vegeta once they were close to the end of their natural lives.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42953: Aug 19th 2016 at 2:24:13 PM

I mean, he probably looked young when he went out in that last blaze of glory fighting Vegeta; otherwise you've got two old men with walking canes beating the shit out of each other.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#42954: Aug 19th 2016 at 2:26:18 PM

Hey, look at Master Roshi. He's still a spectacular martial artist even if he's long since outclassed in power level.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42955: Aug 19th 2016 at 2:27:05 PM

He's also immortal and around 300 now.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#42956: Aug 19th 2016 at 2:39:29 PM

Goku is also a God now, it's entirely possible he's no longer able to grow old and die.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42957: Aug 19th 2016 at 2:42:56 PM

Battle of Gods didn't exist until after Online was already made, so the only thing the game had going for it as backstory was the original manga; Goku and Vegeta were very much mortal as a result.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42958: Aug 19th 2016 at 3:00:53 PM

Heroes should never be used as a power gauge. They had Sorbet fighting evenly with a Super Saiyan, and Goku and Vegeta fused as a Super Saiyan 4 to take down Wheelo.

They also had Turles, Cell, Frieza (pre-Reserrection), and Super Android 17 ganging up and give a hard time to people like Buu and Super Saiyan 3 fusions. Only Super 17 should be an even remote challenge.

edited 19th Aug '16 3:07:53 PM by Ramona122003

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#42960: Aug 19th 2016 at 4:36:50 PM

Battle of Gods didn't exist until after Online was already made, so the only thing the game had going for it as backstory was the original manga; Goku and Vegeta were very much mortal as a result.

And this is relevant to what I said because...?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42961: Aug 19th 2016 at 4:38:23 PM

Because neither Goku nor Vegeta are actually Gods in Online's backstory?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#42962: Aug 19th 2016 at 7:13:32 PM

Which, again, is relevant to what I said because..?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42963: Aug 19th 2016 at 7:17:13 PM

Because what you said had really nothing to do with I said, considering the fact that what you brought up isn't exactly "canon" to Online's universe.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#42964: Aug 19th 2016 at 7:21:55 PM

Who gives a crap about Online?

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42965: Aug 19th 2016 at 7:37:59 PM

I think they mean that Goku and Vegeta's finally duel was stated in Online, before the whole introduction of god ki and them becoming gods, so they wouldn't be long lived. In fact, Goku was nearing his end around his 60s according to Online, which goes against Super's statement of Saiyans staying young until 80.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#42966: Aug 19th 2016 at 7:47:46 PM

So Super has jossed Online. How is this surprising?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#42967: Aug 19th 2016 at 7:50:48 PM

Online leads into Xenoverse.

Watch the new trailer, it's hype!

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#42968: Aug 19th 2016 at 8:03:50 PM

Just wondering but isn't the DBS anime more canon than the DBS manga?

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42969: Aug 19th 2016 at 8:27:37 PM

Well...anime has God Kaio-ken x10, manga has Goku being able to transform into the Super Saiyan God form at will, with it being stronger than 10% of Vegeta's power as a Super Saiyan Blue. It's really up to preference at this point.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#42970: Aug 19th 2016 at 8:32:16 PM

Well if that is the case I think I will consider the anime more canon than the manga. Mainly because unlike with DBZ the anime doesn't seem to need to wait for the Manga to catch up, which you would think would be the opposite if the manga were more canon.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42971: Aug 19th 2016 at 8:52:47 PM

Short answer: Both are technically canon since they both use Toriyama's outline as a base.

Long answer: The anime is considered the main produce, while the manga is meant to advertised the anime and is a monthly publication in a lesser known magazine instead of a big magazine like SJ, so less people read the Super manga. On this site specifically, the anime is treated as the primary source with the manga being secondary or a complimentary source.

However, which one is more canon comes down to preference and some mixed both sources together.

edited 19th Aug '16 8:54:01 PM by Ramona122003

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#42972: Aug 19th 2016 at 9:01:46 PM

Honestly, I chalk it down to the anime coming first and the manga second, same as I do when the manga comes first and the anime second. First is canon, the second has the first as canon but its own stuff that isn't in the first isn't canon to the first.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42973: Aug 19th 2016 at 9:03:23 PM

the anime doesn't seem to need to wait for the Manga to catch up, which you would think would be the opposite if the manga were more canon.

I still think it odd that anime frequently overtake the manga they're based on, but this is apparently a common occurrence. The manga is drawn by probably less than 10 people while the anime probably has a team of 30-50 doing all of the work and cranking out new episodes. Who knows where and when Toriyama is. If they have given us any news about what he does in regards to Super, it's all in Japanese and no one's translated it yet.

So what everyone else was saying. Nothing's really more "canonical" than anything else at this point. To paraphrase what someone else once said, canon is whatever the person invoking the word prefers it to be.

That doesn't mean if you like Evolution that that becomes canon. Liking Evolution means you get the hell out of here and never come back.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42974: Aug 19th 2016 at 10:22:43 PM

We know Toriyama writes the outline like he did with the movies, Toei storyboards it, cut the story into episodes, add and changed things, and sends the final draft to Toriyama for final approval. So the anime is oversee by Toriyama, he just a little more hands on with the manga since he is a manga artist.

Also, going by Resurrection 'F', Toei tends to stay as true as possible to Toriyama's outline. If you read the original script for Resurrection 'F', it is very accurate to Toei's script except they fixed several plot holes and omitted the part about Frieza hiring mercenaries. The manga adaption of the movie took more liabilities, so I wouldn't be surprise if it's the same with the Super manga, especially since Toriyama gave free reign to the manga put their own twist.

Of course, this is all assumption until see Toriyama's original script.

edited 19th Aug '16 10:23:21 PM by Ramona122003

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42975: Aug 19th 2016 at 10:38:02 PM

The anime came before the manga, but it doesn't change that both are adaptations of Toriyama's original script. We really can't know if what canon is unless we know what TORIYAMA wrote.

Or if an official canon is actually constructed.

The franchise is in a weird situation that doesn't neatly fit into what most people define canon as.


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