Not really: the canon Power Levels work fine with Z, but not with Dragon Ball because of certain statements. A non-canon fan-made system of Power Levels can work with Dragon Ball, but conflict with the canon numbers in Z.
That is true.
Like Goku at the start of the series had a power level of 10 according to the datebooks. Which sounds reasonable, until you realize that the farmers in Z had a power level of 10. So, Goku as a kid was only twice as strong as that farmer. Then you look at Goku's feats from before his training with Roshi. He feats are better than Mr. Satan who is quite powerful for a Muggle, and I'm almost certain Mr. Satan is more than twice as strong as that random farmer, meme aside.
edited 10th Aug '16 2:55:51 PM by Ramona122003
I love the way people use the "Power levels are bullshit" line. The context gives the quote a very different meaning from what people think it means when they quote it.
Vegeta said it when Piccolo went from weaker than Nappa to stronger than Second Form Freeza for, to him, no reason.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Who is that supposed to be? The image won't load properly but I can see Gero's braincase.
Wonder what an Android Maxi-Fusion would be like. 18, plus 17, 16, Gero, and 19. Or maybe Cell, 18, 17, 16, and Gero. Some kind of freakish Frankenstein version of Cell with gold flowing hair and an ascot.
edited 10th Aug '16 2:59:37 PM by Soble
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x6 Okay one, you just said that both were at a level of 10, while also saying that Goku was twice as strong, and two, Hercule could also beat Early DB Goku's ass, considering that he's actually capable of high-speed movement, and would actually be able to fly on his own if he was actually willing to train, since we did see him fly off the ground a bit when we saw him trying to learn it after Kid Buu was killed.
edited 10th Aug '16 2:58:34 PM by Ssj3Gojira
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Vegeta didn't see any of that though, you're forgetting. He said the line because he had no way of understanding where Piccolo's new power came from.
It also isn't hypocritical of Vegeta to say that line, because from his perspective he was able to understand why he became stronger during the Namek Saga.
edited 10th Aug '16 3:02:31 PM by VeryMelon
Except not really; Vegeta only went to a power level between 30,000 - 50,000 after two Zenkais, when his power level in the Saiyan Saga was 18,000; after a third Zenkai he was possibly still weaker than Frieza in his first form, and a fourth Zenkai only brought him up to maybe 10 times what he was at, which was still weaker than Frieza using 5% of his power in his true form and Goku's post-Zenkai power level of 3 million. Contrast that to Piccolo going from a power level of 3500 to over 1 million in a matter of months (Vegeta wasn't aware of the fusion with Nail), and he kind of has a right to be pissed off.
edited 10th Aug '16 3:04:01 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!See, I'm pretty sure the bullet-proof thing wasn't because of Goku being stronger, and more because Saiyans are just naturally more durable than humans are. Do recall that Roshi was also stronger than him when he started training him and Krillin, and both him and Krillin had Launch's bullets go straight through them (as a gag), whereas they don't go through Goku at all.
edited 10th Aug '16 3:06:50 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!That just shows that Krillin and Master Roshi were stronger than Mr. Satan since neither of them are Saiyans and survived Launch machine gunning them, when Satan went down to a pistol. And Goku was flash stepping in the third episode of Dragon Ball.
There is nothing shown that Mr. Satan is stronger than kid Goku. It's literally the opposite going by feats.
...except it's not; one Zenkai after his beating on Earth brought him up to a power level of 24,000, a second one after Zarbon brought him up to anywhere between 30,000 to 50,000 at the max, a third one after his pummeling from Recoome (along with some rest afterwards) brought him up to the point where he could slightly rival Frieza in his first form, and a fourth one after he let Krillin nearly kill him to try and actually exploit the Zenkai boost, which was actually the first time he willingly did that, made him stronger than literally everyone else there, but he was still below Goku after his big Zenkai and Frieza using 5% of his true power.
And again, watch that gag again; Roshi and Krillin both had the bullets go through them, but Goku never had that happen to him. Even then, it was still treated as a gag, just as much as Goku being able to leave Boss Rabbit and his men on the fucking Moon to make moon cakes for the children there, even though we know that Goku can't breathe in space.
edited 10th Aug '16 3:16:14 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Look at the screen again. The bullets didn't go through them at all. It bruised them. The same thing happened to Goku when Bulma shot him and you see a dark mark on his head. The same thing happened when Bulma took out a machine gun and shot Goku. You saw dark marks all over his body.
And the Boss Rabbit is a poor example since we know it's a gag since it was said Saiyans can't survive in space.
Because, he was weaker than Recoome after his second Zenkai boost, seeing as how that massive beatdown and Final Crash he used on him amounted to nothing more than destroying Recoome's armor; compare that to Goku who knocks him the fuck out with one elbow to the gut. Also, 5% Frieza's true power is what he was using on Goku, which would be equal to a power level of 6 million; 1% of his power would probably be equal to his power level in his second restriction form, which we know for a fact that Vegeta was stronger than, so I see Frieza using maybe 2-3% of his power at most, or a power level between 2.4 and 3.6 million.
Also, considering how Vegeta had a power level of 30,000 when he fought Recoome, and was actually able to impress the Ginyu Force with how strong he had gotten, I think it's a safe bet that Vegeta really was stronger than Monster Zarbon at that point.
edited 10th Aug '16 3:26:57 PM by Ssj3Gojira
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Seriously, I think you two are overthinking this far more than is needed.
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