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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42601: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:23:08 AM

How about...he doesn't actually get there for once?

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#42602: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:53:33 AM

So... everyone dies?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42603: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:08:15 AM

Not exactly, Vegetarian and Trunks are still readily available.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42604: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:06:34 AM

But we know they won't be allowed to save the day. They never are. Goku has to be there to do it, because he's the only one who ever matters.

Even in situations where the villain has other minions, the only one who can actually beat them is Goku. The others job to show how hopeless the situation is.

As for Buu's origin of always existing, I'm aware of that. My statement stands because if the Kaioshin were paying attention, they would have noticed Bibidi summoning Buu on them in the first place.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#42605: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:13:36 AM

Some more characters in Fusions:

edited 8th Aug '16 7:13:51 AM by Rinsankajugin

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42606: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:03:37 AM

The universe is a big place with thousands of galaxies according to Jaco. Excuse them from missing some no name wizard summoning an Ax-Crazy evil demon.

And you're just dead wrong about Goku saving everyone. Goku almost never fight the minions unless you count some of the movies. For example, Goku only defeated the two Ginyu members out of Frieza's entire army, he lost against 19 and Cell, and he took out only one of Babidis men. In Super it was Vegeta who killed Ginyu and Frieza's men were wiped out by the other Z-Fighters. Goku only takes out the main villain, after they get to their final form, and most of the time he needs help like Vegeta and Buu. The only straight no assistant win he got in Z is against Frieza.

I swear, some of you really exaggerate Goku's win record.

edited 8th Aug '16 8:13:48 AM by Ramona122003

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#42607: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:16:08 AM

Do Kaioshins ever do anything besides observing? The one time they did get involved was against Boo, who was a threat to them.

Say what you will about Beerus, but he at least does some destroying.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42608: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:25:05 AM

Now that I think about it, it's possible they aren't allowed to do anything but observe.

They only fought Buu because Bibidi literally threw him at them and there was no choice but to fight.

At least that's what I'm now thinking. If so, their tendency to do nothing may stem from how they are only supposed to watch.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#42609: Aug 8th 2016 at 10:49:39 AM

The show has explicitly said that. The Kaioshin observe, and are not allowed to interfere with mortal matters. Not unless something literally universe-threatening happens.

The God of Destruction is the only one allowed to interfere on the mortal plane (since his job kind of requires that).

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#42610: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:38:42 AM

Kaioshins - the divine peanut gallery.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#42611: Aug 8th 2016 at 12:08:38 PM

A'ight, I think the only fusions (known at the moment) left to be seen are Pineta, Chiaoldo, Rappa, Ginyuza, Kibiccolo-Kai and Kibeerus-Kai. Out of all the fusions shown from the game, which is you're favorite?

I personally like how Great Saiyaman 12 looks. Reminds me when a character from Super Sentai or Kamen Rider gets a power-up.

Kosjurake The Wildest of Ronins from Tokyo LOCCENT Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
The Wildest of Ronins
#42612: Aug 8th 2016 at 1:26:25 PM

Well if Trunks breaks his sword again, at least we know where he can get a replacement this time. tongue

edited 8th Aug '16 2:55:36 PM by Kosjurake

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42613: Aug 8th 2016 at 2:51:40 PM

The Kais are officially the Gods of Creation. Their job is create plants, life, and give guidance to mortals. That is why the Kais have Reality Warping powers.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42614: Aug 8th 2016 at 2:58:36 PM

When you look at it that way, it's not so crazy for Mortals like the Saiyans to be more powerful then them. That being said, they were all stronger then Frieza at one point (weren't they? I'm not sure how accurate that kill Frieza in one blow statement is anymore).

Speaking of the Kaioshins....aren't they and the Kais all born from The fruit of the World Tree? Why haven't any new Supreme Kais been born to replace the ones who died already? In fact, you'd think after all the time between Buu's original rampage and his return in the last part of DBZ that some new ones would have been born.

What's up with that?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#42615: Aug 8th 2016 at 3:00:50 PM

Goku didn't even get a no-assist win against Freeza, without constant assists from everyone he never would've lived long enough to go SSJ.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#42616: Aug 8th 2016 at 3:13:54 PM

Even in situations where the villain has other minions, the only one who can actually beat them is Goku. The others job to show how hopeless the situation is.

Hey, that's not always true! They beat...Saibamen. And Guldo. And those guys on Babidi's ship.

And anyway, new episode titles are out.

Super Saiyan Rose is the official name. They go to the future and Black transforms in 56. Goku goes full-out against Black in 57. Who knows what happens next.

edited 8th Aug '16 3:15:01 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#42617: Aug 8th 2016 at 3:51:51 PM

Why haven't any new Supreme Kais been born to replace the ones who died already? In fact, you'd think after all the time between Buu's original rampage and his return in the last part of DBZ that some new ones would have been born.

You're underestimating the Kaioshins' lifespans. Old Kai is said by Toriyama to be around 75 million years old, and he's only elderly, not on his deathbed. It stands to reason that the birth of a Kaioshin (or the elevation of a regular Kaio to that level) is an extremely rare event, especially given how few there are even with such lifespans.

Buu's original fight against the Kaioshin was 5 million years ago. Barely one-fifteenth of a Kaio's lifespan. It's so unbelievable that no more have been born in that time? In fact, East Kaioshin (aka the Supreme Kai) even referred to himself as relatively young compared to the others, so it might be that it will be a very long time before another one is born.

edited 8th Aug '16 3:57:59 PM by DarkHunter

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42618: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:19:21 PM

Truthfully, I think in this case, an exception should be made. They were wiped out by two assholes who decided to Rage Against the Heavens for nothing more than because we can (well ok, that was probably Bibidi's motivation, while Buu's motivation at that time was really more along the lines of RAAAAARGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! MWA HA AH AH HA HA HA!!!!.

When you get fucked up like they did, sometimes pushing things up a bit might be a good idea.

Of course, it now occurs to me that maybe they actually can't do that, so I guess it's a moot point and this whole post is pointless.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#42619: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:21:07 PM

They are born from a tree. Good luck telling a tree to hurry up a bit.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42620: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:31:36 PM

Beerus could probably do it.

Hell, why didn't Zen-O lend a hand. The Kaioshins are part of an important balance, and they got fucked up through no fault of their own. You'd think he'd take some action to fix things.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#42621: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:58:47 PM

It. Is. A. Tree. An immobile plant with no sensory organs or even a brain.

How are Beerus or Zen-O going to make it do anything?

(Probably way outside of Beerus's jurisdiction anyway.)

edited 8th Aug '16 4:59:21 PM by DarkHunter

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42622: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:59:53 PM

The same way Mr. Popo would get it to do so; it just knows better.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#42623: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:17:30 PM

Well presumably, Zen-O is the One Above All. He could make it so.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42624: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:21:31 PM

Exactly.

If the dude can erase universes on a mere whim, then making a tree shit some Gods is well within his ability.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#42625: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:22:13 PM

Honestly I get the distinct impression that Zen-O is kind of lazy. Like, he seems like a nice guy and everything but at the same I feel like he would rather the multiverse get destroyed than do anything to help.

This song needs more love.

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