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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42576: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:56:15 PM

Um, that was a Super Saiyan 2 Grade 3. >.>

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#42577: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:57:30 PM

I do find it hilarious that none of the gods in DBS are omniscient enough to know who's causing the timeline splits though. If they're aware of alternate timelines being created, and this is such a sin, you'd think they'd be putting more effort into finding out who did it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42578: Aug 7th 2016 at 2:05:39 PM

Well, the gods are lazy, even in places where they actually do their jobs.

The U-7 Kaioshin (barring East) died because they didn't notice Bibidi pulling shit until he dropped Buu on their doorstep like a flaming bag of shit and then jumped behind the bushes to watch their reaction to it.

At least East has the excuse of having to do the job of four people on his own for his later failures.

One Strip! One Strip!
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#42579: Aug 7th 2016 at 2:10:19 PM

I really want thiz to become a lead in to the Time Breakers if just because I think its a really fun idea.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42580: Aug 7th 2016 at 2:39:30 PM

The Kienzan has a lot of cutting power - Freeza was over 10 times stronger than Vegeta - but it doesn't mean it can cut literally ANYTHING.

It's also canonically a shitty technique. Goku says as much when Freeza uses a better version of it.

Freeza dodged it from behind just losing the tip of his tail. Vegeta dodged it completely from behind, just because he reasoned that Gohan wouldn't face him alone. Nappa could dodge it immediately in front of his face from Vegeta's warning.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42581: Aug 7th 2016 at 2:46:52 PM

Nappa was also what, 3 times stronger and faster than him? Also, more combat experience means he'd have better reflexes in general; doesn't help that the damn thing makes so much noise that you'd be able to tell that it's coming from just that alone. The attack is really only useless because Krillin himself is useless against all the foes he keeps trying to use it on.

edited 7th Aug '16 2:47:31 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42582: Aug 7th 2016 at 2:49:00 PM

I don't see why Nappa's strength should factor into it. Krillin through the thing directly in his line of sight. The only reason it even had a shot of working was because Nappa was being an idiot before Vegeta's warning. Anyone could have just moved out of the way.

edited 7th Aug '16 2:59:04 PM by LSBK

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42583: Aug 7th 2016 at 2:56:38 PM

Well here's the thing, even though Frieza was more than 10 times stronger than Krillin was when he used the Kienzan on him, he still managed to cut his tail off; it stands to reason that he could have killed Frieza with it even he actually ever managed to get a direct hit on him. With Perfect Cell it's different; I can see Krillin maybe getting up to maybe a power level rivaling Ginyu at that point, or 120,000, but that's still a thousand times weaker than Frieza at 100%, and Perfect Cell is possibly 6 to 8 times stronger than Super Saiyan Goku was during that period. Really, Krillin's Kienzan shattering on Cell's neck makes sense when you consider that Cell is literally thousands of times stronger than Krillin could ever be.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#42584: Aug 7th 2016 at 3:55:11 PM

So who else enjoys Pilaf getting more screentime than Piccolo or Gohan?

Because I think it's fantastic. You'll get Pilaf and you'll like it, I guess.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42585: Aug 7th 2016 at 3:55:33 PM

I was more concerned with Krillin hurting Freeza at all by that point.

Episode 54:

  • -breath-
  • Okay, first of all, I could not be any less interested in what is happening with Vegeta and Trunks right now. Get back to Gowasu and Zamasu.
  • I guess Super's really shortening the gap between Beerus and Goku now. First, Goku hasn't asked to fight Beerus in awhile even though he usually wants to fight strong opponents again and again (Piccolo, Vegeta, Buu). Two, he's getting brazen, annoying Beerus about Monaka, pestering Zamasu, and now apparently bickering with Beerus enough that it bugged Whis. Plus the way they were fighting over a piece of food, whereas before Beerus would've just bitchsmacked Goku off a balcony.
    • Like hitting Bulma does for Vegeta, taking food away from Goku imbues him with phenomenal, temporary strength.
  • Zamasu is getting more villainous. Those tea leaves looked suspicious from the start. Red Herring?
  • This is a fusion incident waiting to happen.
  • [lol]
    • Gowasu: "You want to merge with me?"
    • Zawasu: o_O "I think we could leave this for another time."
  • Stop tossing shade at "humans" Zamasu. Presidential election aside, we're not that bad.
  • Ugh, more Vegeta/Trunks bonding. Why didn't they do this last episode?
  • Okay... Vegeta has branding rights. "This is the Super Saiyan that surpasses a Super Saiyan... Super Vegeta!" (tm) I guess that's why Xenoverse used that name.
  • ....
    • Trunks: Come on dad, use Super Saiyan 3 like Goku did!
    • Vegeta: -twitch- -powers up to Super Saiyan Blue-
    • Trunks: Wha... what is that...?
    • Vegeta: 'Bout 15 years of bad parenting you're overdue for.
  • See Gohan? You can have a family and not totally suck. Trunks just up and headbutted Vegeta because he felt like it. Vegeta has punched a younger version of Trunks for less.
  • Alright... Goku is definitely at the center of some kind of timeline gobbeldy-gook here. And judging from what Gowasu said, Trunks is too. Stopping Cell and the Androids must have ripped the multiverse a new one.

edited 7th Aug '16 4:04:49 PM by Soble

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#42587: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:18:58 PM

It seems odd that the splitting of the timeline in 1 universe will make rings across all universes.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42588: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:23:47 PM

[up][up] Awesome. grin

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#42589: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:30:52 PM

[up][up] 12 universes, 1 timeline. They all share the same timestream. They're not separate from each other, at least in that respect.

Which makes it dumb to call them "universes", admittedly. In fact, technically the world "universe" means "totality of everything that exists", so even having multiple universes should be an oxymoron.

edited 7th Aug '16 6:32:32 PM by DarkHunter

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#42590: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:34:19 PM

I'm just used to marvel time shenanigans where travelling back just creates a new timeline/universe and every other one is unchanged. and even at dc what affects one universe usually only affects the 1 unless it's earth-0 the keystone.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#42592: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:46:34 PM

Sounds like Dadcollo, which is totally what I would have Goku call him in a crackfic.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#42593: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:50:15 PM

Oh man, Vegeta is amazing. Trunks is all confident and tells him to use Super Saiyan 3, and then Vegeta just laughs and goes Super Saiyan Blue. That was godlike haha.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#42594: Aug 7th 2016 at 9:35:40 PM

Um, that was a Super Saiyan 2 Grade 3.

Maximum Over Saiyan!

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#42595: Aug 8th 2016 at 1:21:27 AM

Can I just say that I loved the small bit of characterization both Pilaf and Shu got in this episode? From Pilaf actually being genuinely good as computer coding (I don't have a problem with this, as being good at something is better than being good at nothing), to Shu both knowing what Image Training is, and respecting Trunks' privacy as a fighter while he's doing so. Anything that makes the Pilaf Gang into more multifaceted characters is good, as long as we're stuck with them for the moment.

edited 8th Aug '16 1:23:31 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42596: Aug 8th 2016 at 1:23:04 AM

Well, the gods are lazy, even in places where they actually do their jobs. The U-7 Kaioshin (barring East) died because they didn't notice Bibidi pulling shit until he dropped Buu on their doorstep like a flaming bag of shit and then jumped behind the bushes to watch their reaction to it. At least East has the excuse of having to do the job of four people on his own for his later failures.

Since Toriyama's Retcon, Buu is an entity that has existed since the beginning of the universe who destroys and then goes to sleep for a long period of time, much like Beerus actually. Bibidi only summoned Buu and sent him against the Kais. Until then, Buu was probably like the God of Destruction. Let him wreck shit until he goes to sleep and clean up the mess. It wasn't until someone started to use Buu as a weapon that he became a huge problem. That and Buu gradually got stronger his sleep period.

Also, the Kais are not allowed to touch mortals. Only the Gods of Destruction can. So unless something threatens the universe, the Kais are can't interfere.

edited 8th Aug '16 1:24:56 AM by Ramona122003

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42597: Aug 8th 2016 at 1:23:27 AM

It does sound like they are trying to avoid just repeating the same jokes.

Except with Mai.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42598: Aug 8th 2016 at 1:32:30 AM

It seems odd that the splitting of the timeline in 1 universe will make rings across all universes.

It makes perfect sense, since the 12 universes do interact with each other.

For example, we just had a tournament where U6 and U7 fought each other. Such a tournament couldn't have happened in Future Trunks' timeline since Goku is dead, so Beerus never came to Earth to fight a Super Saiyan God, therefor there was no Goku to agree to have a tournament with Champa. Beerus would also have no Earth food to rub in Champa's face and the only reason the tournament was even suggested was because Champa wanted his own Earth.

Toriyama also confirmed that all the Gods of Destruction and the Kais have meeting every couple of thousands years. So it wouldn't make sense for Old Kai to show up if he's still trapped in the Z-Sword in one timeline.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#42599: Aug 8th 2016 at 2:07:12 AM

It's weird, because I thought they'd be taking this romance subplot semi-seriously, given Future Mai is probably alive and Kid Trunks getting jealous could lead to character development for him...maybe. Feeling less confident about that, but I'm still hoping it happens.

Anyway, it's nice Super is acknowledging Multiverse Theory is still a thing that is supposed to exist. I was worried they forgot about that. I'm assuming the Time Rings use a different form of time travel, and that's what allows the Stable Time Loop of Black's existence to exist in the first place?

I'm really curious about this Zeno stuff, though. I really hope it ties into the overall story. It kinda came out of nowhere, and if it's not that important, it'd almost be like the story decided to go into a filler arc, or something.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#42600: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:00:13 AM

Maybe it'll be the reason Goku doesn't show up to save the day until the last minute.


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