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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42026: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:27:03 AM

Well now, that doesn't make much sense...unless you mean, turning SSJ caused him to lose Ultimate/Mystic?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42027: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:28:26 AM

Or performing the ritual is what led to the downfall in power, since he was just fine after four years of inactivity.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42028: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:33:55 AM

That would make some sense at least.

I mean, as much sense as Saiyans accessing godly powers by holding hands, and Vegeta gaining those same godly powers through lifting and squats.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42029: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:39:51 AM

Is good thing that Karrot didn't lose his Godly-ness for Veggie's turn at the ritual.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42030: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:42:43 AM

Gohan losing the mystic power up makes so much sense, I'm annoyed Toriyama didn't think of it.

As for whether Arha was being sarcastic or not, I'm pretty sure nearly everything he says is sarcasm and snark of some sort.

And one day, he will pay.

Then again, one day I'll probably pay as well. It's the internet. We've all said some things we deserve to get our asses kicked over.

One Strip! One Strip!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42031: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:43:55 AM

To be fair, I think Vegeta's body just adapted to all the God Ki around him from his six+ months of training with Whis.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#42032: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:44:05 AM

I just realized, Dragon Ball Heroes still hasn't added Ozotto (Base, Super), Onio (Base, SSJ), Honey, Android 8, Nam, Bacterian, Shen, Orlen, Raspberry, Frieza (Full Armored Mecha, Majin, Hyper, Villainous, Atrocious), Cell (Majin, Hyper Perfect, Villainous, Atrocious), Broly (Villainous, Atrocious, Time Breaker), Time Breaker Janemba, Time Breaker Appule (Base, Giant), Ledgic, Goku Jr (Base, SSJ), Vegeta Jr (Base, SSJ), Ms. Buu, Cell-X (Imperfect, Semiperfect, Perfect), Cell-X Jr, Churai, Naraka (Base, Great Namek), Elite Saibamen, Cyborg Tao-X, Android 9, Android 8000, Android 19000, DBO Future Warrior (Base, SSJ), XV Future Warrior (Base, SSJ, SSJ2), XV2 Future Warrior (Base, SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3), Cloke, Hakusa, Reso, Amura, Imai, Ziko, Goma, Percel, Kate, Harry, Captain Taino, Thirith, Ukatz, Iaas, Pima, Mefla, Umiu, Kid Chi-Chi, Adult Chi-Chi (Base, Angered), Vegeta (Villainous, Atrocious), Atrocious Gohan, Atrocious Gotenks, Atrocious TP Trunks, Atrocious Kid Buu, Bongo, General Gamelan, Tekka, Pinich, EX Gogeta, EX Gotenks, Prilin (Base, EX), Tiencha (Base, Skinny, EX), Natz, Karoly, Gorilin, Krigohan, Pandel, Gokuhan, Vegenks, Majin Satan, Cellza, Great Captain Ginyuman, Towale, Brapan, Yamgeta, Beerwhis, Great Saiyaman 12, Tekku, Chibamen, Mibura, Guidoome, Trunco the Future Patrolman, Maxi-Fusion, etc....

edited 19th Jul '16 11:44:27 AM by Rinsankajugin

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42033: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:46:06 AM

...this series has more characters than Naruto and Bleach combined.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#42034: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:47:21 AM

[up] And this is why fans aren't happy with a roster whenever a new game comes out. tongue

We're never gonna get the perfect roster because it'll be 1000 characters long...

edited 19th Jul '16 11:47:58 AM by Rinsankajugin

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42035: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:52:17 AM

Quite a few of those are just alternates anyway.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#42036: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:53:10 AM

Call me when someone finally decides to add Mr. Popo.

This song needs more love.
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#42037: Jul 19th 2016 at 11:55:37 AM

Fuck, I knew I forgot someone!

Man, a playable Mr. Popo would actually be pretty cool. Not many games let you play as a genie tank.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42038: Jul 19th 2016 at 2:39:47 PM

@IANCE Gohan willingly giving up his power so that Goku could go SSG or retain that power would definitely be a good way to depower him (as opposed to handwaving/not addressing it). Like you said, it's totally something he would do, and it makes the decision really meaningful

@Goten/Trunks being passed the torch: I wouldn't count that as passing the torch from a mets sense. Even when they were being prepared to fight Boo, there was a B plot still ongoing (Gohan preparing to fight Boo). From a meta point they were always playing the role of the Piccolo/Vegeta mid arc fighter who fights the villain while the protagonist is still preparing. It's like Chekovs Gun.

Even in-universe, Goku didn't treat it like he had passed the torch. He showed an intention to do so, but this was treated more like the trial/preparation for such an event. He acted like he was exploring the possibility.

Whereas with Gohan's fight, there was no B plot running at the time. So it feels more inline with a final battle than the mid arc encounters from before (especially with Gotenks also filling that role). I think that's part of what makes the transition back to Goku so jarring, because Goku was dead and sitting on his ass when it was time for him to step up again.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42039: Jul 19th 2016 at 2:58:43 PM

[up]

Dammit Saiga! Stop saying things I agree with! How can I de-pope you if I actually think you deserve the title?

You're ruining everything! Everything everywhere!

But yes, pretty much [tup] to everything you said. Boy, I bet if someone bothered to plan things out, we could have avoided this. Now excuse me while I go beat this dead horse.

One Strip! One Strip!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#42040: Jul 19th 2016 at 3:03:43 PM

I still find it amazing on occasion that we DO actually all like this series.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42041: Jul 19th 2016 at 3:08:18 PM

I know right.

Shit like this helps in my case.

One Strip! One Strip!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#42042: Jul 19th 2016 at 3:13:13 PM

We like it whenever we don't talk about Gohan :V

I do agree him giving up his power for his dad would have been a good way to send him off, especially since you could see it as giving back what his dad gave him. And its definitely I could accept as a reasonable to the character's arc and time in the spotlight.

Someone brought up that Goku's Blood Knight personality of always wanting to fight as his primary goal leaves him rather aimless as a character, beyond simply wanting to fight people. Its pretty apparent in the current arc too since Vegeta actually wants to beat Black for hurting his family whereas Goku is just "He looks strong, I wanna fight" but I bet money that its going to be Goku who wins in the end.

This was fine in Dragon Ball where he actually was not the strongest like he is now, and when the series still had a "Journey to the West" vibe to it. Even in Z it was fine because Goku himself was Out of Focus and only showed up at the arc's climax.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42043: Jul 19th 2016 at 3:18:14 PM

Karrot doesn't even want to be the strongest anymore...

But that's the theme of the whole series: directionless, knows what it wants, but the want will never end...greed fuels the drive.

edited 19th Jul '16 3:18:33 PM by randomness4

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#42044: Jul 19th 2016 at 3:19:37 PM

Roshi and likely Ox King were definitely stronger at the beginning of the series.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#42045: Jul 19th 2016 at 3:20:57 PM

Well I'm saying there's kind of no pathos; its different when Goku was fighting Nappa, Raditz, Frieza or Buu because while he was partially motivated just to fight for the sake of it, he also knew very well that they were dangerous people that needed to be stopped.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#42046: Jul 19th 2016 at 3:42:51 PM

There's also that whole "Gohan has the potential to be the strongest being in the universe, and WAS, twice," thing. It was an incredibly important part of his character. Basically every time he fought, they hit you over the head with it. You couldn't really ignore it. And if a character has that kind of potential, you'd expect his arc to end with him finally using the full extent of that potential.

Which it did. Twice. And then the story didn't end. And then Goku and Vegeta found a way to get even stronger. And if Goku and Vegeta can get that strong, it's logical to assume Gohan's potential can account for that power, as well.

Regardless of what people say, Gohan realising his potential was one of the biggest parts of his character arc. Super kind of removed it, with no real reason why other than "we don't want Gohan to be an important character".

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42047: Jul 19th 2016 at 3:51:11 PM

Yes it was an honorable sacrifice, we're all very proud of Gohand.

Except not all of us, only the people who care...and even then, possibly not all of them either.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#42048: Jul 19th 2016 at 4:04:01 PM

Dangit, I wanted to give my two cents on the spin-offs/specials thing! Whatever, I always wanted a special showing the Nameless Namek growing up, travelling the world and getting corrupted by it (I always imagine young Kami drinking and gambling in casinos and it kills me), and going on a quest to become God, splitting into good and evil, and Roshi, Shen, and Mutaito's battle against King Piccolo's army. I also always wanted an official special showing Kid Buu's massacre of the Kaioshin.

edited 19th Jul '16 4:11:18 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42049: Jul 19th 2016 at 4:16:21 PM

He killed 3 people...that doesn't really make for special material.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#42050: Jul 19th 2016 at 4:36:52 PM

A TV special of Kid Buu's fight with the Kaioshin would just be a fight that only realistically lasted a couple of minutes stretched for half an hour.

There isn't a plot to follow like there was with the Bardock, Father of Goku special. Bibidi found a way to get there, found a way to get Buu there, and promptly released Buu on them. Either that, or the Kaioshin deliberately brought him there in an attempt to get Buu away from places where he could deal more damage and where they could fight in their home turf, only to have hilariously poor results.

And Buu killed them very, very quickly.

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