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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41926: Jul 18th 2016 at 11:41:57 AM

And then he changed his mind. Honestly, I don't blame them for wanting to hammer it in that Gohan's fighting days are over and he'll never be the hero.

I understand some frustration, but people really should just move on already.

edited 18th Jul '16 11:47:16 AM by LSBK

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#41927: Jul 18th 2016 at 11:46:31 AM

When will people move on from posting the "GT Logic" video, or making fun of Yamcha, or arguing whether Super Perfect Cell was stronger than Gohan?

I still haven't moved on from "Wolf Fang GUN" personally.

edited 18th Jul '16 11:48:27 AM by Soble

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41928: Jul 18th 2016 at 11:47:35 AM

Also, I thought it was canon that characters were capable of concentrating their attacks into relatively small areas to limit the damage to the planet?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41929: Jul 18th 2016 at 11:49:21 AM

[up]It is.

[up][up]Who says they shouldn't? Both of those are jokes that I would have thought would have stopped being funny a long time ago. No such luck, unfortunately, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

edited 18th Jul '16 11:53:52 AM by LSBK

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#41930: Jul 18th 2016 at 11:50:14 AM

Well fair enough.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41931: Jul 18th 2016 at 11:50:24 AM

[up][up] You mean like Vegeta's bingo dance?

edited 18th Jul '16 11:50:32 AM by Ssj3Gojira

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41932: Jul 18th 2016 at 11:54:41 AM

I don't care about that one way or the other but I could see getting annoyed by it showing up all the time. unnoun is the only one who did that, though, and she's been gone for awhile.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#41933: Jul 18th 2016 at 12:00:10 PM

Unnoun was here yesterday.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41935: Jul 18th 2016 at 12:19:40 PM

Personally, I am happy that Gohan is living a happy and productive life, and it seems he's at least maintaining his power instead of getting weaker.

Then again, I never found Gohan to be interesting on his own. He works as a good compare/contract to Goku, and I love his moments with Krillin, Piccolo, and later Videl. On his own, I always found Gohan on the boring side, especially sine his main gimmick was getting mad and wrecking stuff. He had no real fighting style and just kept using bull charges, so he wasn't even interesting in a fighting sense unlike most of the characters. Also never bought into that Gohan was the strongest unfused character by the of of Z since ten years past since the defeat of Buu and I'm certain Goku trained all ten of those years while Gohan relaxed, just like what happened between the Cell and Buu Saga. Glad that Resurrection 'F' prove me right on that one.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#41936: Jul 18th 2016 at 12:23:57 PM

I found Gohan a bit more interesting than Goku but that's hardly difficult. Doesn't mean much.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41937: Jul 18th 2016 at 12:28:32 PM

I always found Goku fun to watch and hilarious. Seeing him being clever in battle and in life when everyone writes him off as an idiot it always a highlight for. Goku isn't complex, but he does have some depth.

Gohan really has none of that. He isn't funny or clever, except when he's being an utter dork. Which is probably why I like Gohan as an adult more than I did when he was a kid.

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#41938: Jul 18th 2016 at 12:34:54 PM

Goku's current shtick of "lol, gotta fight strongest opponents no matter what, even if it endangers my loved ones!" is getting kind of annoying.

That shouldn't be the only thing to his character.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#41939: Jul 18th 2016 at 12:37:22 PM

Its always been part of his character, it just wasn't that noticeable because he was kind of Out of Focus in Dragon Ball Z.

[up][up][up] Its still something at least and it was enough to get him some fans through the years. What I don't get is why do people seem to have an issue with his fans being upset about how he's been recently.

Its like, you see a character you like and grow up and they're slowly stripped of the things you initially liked about them, and then continuously remind you about it. But then people aren't supposed to be just the slight bit annoyed by it?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#41940: Jul 18th 2016 at 12:52:17 PM

Imagine if Goku gradually starts to lose his appetite for getting punched in the crotch, and settles down to be a farmer with Chi-Chi.

[down] But if Super is canon and happens before, Gohan is only the strongest if Vegeta and Goku suffer a massive loss of power before the 10 years is up.

edited 18th Jul '16 12:55:31 PM by Soble

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#41941: Jul 18th 2016 at 12:52:49 PM

Also, Gohan was still the strongest character even during the epilogue, as he still has his Ultimate Gohan appearance during that time period.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41942: Jul 18th 2016 at 12:55:03 PM

I don't mind people upset, but to hear the same complaints all the time about Gohan is tiresome, especially since his development fits his character. He never left liked to fight and when he did he wasn't very good at it outside of him overpowering his opponents. He only fights when he has no choice, which hasn't happened in Super since Golden Frieza. If he simply maintain the power he had in the Buu Saga and not regress again, then that's a good thing.

Gohan was never confirmed to be the strongest at EOZ. Fans only assumed he was because of his Ultimate power. Ten years past since Buu's death and Uub, and Goku is always training and growing, while Gohan has proven himself to be a slacker during times of peace. Goku being stronger than Gohan by the end of the series should surprise no one.

edited 18th Jul '16 12:58:04 PM by Ramona122003

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#41943: Jul 18th 2016 at 1:03:54 PM

Yes, but simple training can only get you so far, especially since Goku had absolutely no one who could actually push him besides Vegeta, and there's no indication they ever trained together. Goku simply training as is will do about as much as Tien's constant training, unless he has something to push him.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41944: Jul 18th 2016 at 1:10:02 PM

Goku isn't Tien, and the training only gets you so far only really apply to humans and Piccolo, not the Saiyans.

Also, Goku did have an end goal besides Vegeta. He was preparing for Buu. Besides, Vegeta stopped being Goku's goal a long time ago.

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#41945: Jul 18th 2016 at 1:11:51 PM

Yeah see, the whole Saiyan thing about training didn't even get made until Battle of Gods, so it's not applicable to a time where it didn't exist. It's like asking why Goku never became a God again during GT; because it hadn't been invented yet for that to even be an option.

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#41946: Jul 18th 2016 at 2:01:16 PM

[up][up][up][up] Goku being stronger was not established until long after Z was over and the series started making him stronger than Gohan. You can't say you always assumed that when it still a relatively recent thing, because until Battle of Gods, you couldn't assume that Goku was stronger based on anything in Z's epilogue.

Gohan could have still been stronger, but simply choose not to enter the tournament.

edited 18th Jul '16 2:01:58 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41947: Jul 18th 2016 at 2:13:53 PM

Could have been. Either way, Gohan being the strongest unfused character by the end of Z was never stated or even implied. Which is why I said I suspected that Goku could have gotten stronger in those ten years since Goku always train, while Gohan trends to slack off. The current material only confirmed what I suspected, although I thought after what happened with Buu that Gohan would maintain his power, not regress again.

And Saiyans having no hard limited was established before BOG. Goku and all the other Saiyans kept getting stronger long after most characters capped like the Buu Saga.

edited 18th Jul '16 2:16:12 PM by Ramona122003

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#41948: Jul 18th 2016 at 2:15:06 PM

Until Battle of Gods, Gohan was stronger than Goku. Goku only surpassed him after the God Powerup.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41949: Jul 18th 2016 at 2:16:27 PM

That's because this is a fighting series and the main characters always get stronger to combat threats. Even then, Goku was only as strong as he was because of Super Saiyan 3, and Ultimate Gohan was leaps and bounds beyond that.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41950: Jul 18th 2016 at 2:19:06 PM

It was never stated in BOG who was stronger than who other than Vegeta being behind Goku. It's all assumption that Gohan was still the strongest in BOG. Which is my point. Gohan was the strongest after Buu, and fans assumed he remained the strongest, despite the number of years that past and Gohan's habit of slacking on his training.


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