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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41676: Jul 13th 2016 at 5:47:39 AM

Wouldn't villainous Gero just be regular Gero?tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41677: Jul 13th 2016 at 6:35:52 AM

I see no reason to assume that Popo didn't get any stronger during the Saiyan arc training when he was shown to join in on the sparring.

Also, those battle powers weren't from a guidebook. They were from Shonen Jump alongside a chapter of Goku vs Vegeta. So the errors in the guidebooks released years later have absolutely no relevance there.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41678: Jul 13th 2016 at 6:42:57 AM

There's no reason to assume either possibility...his power has not been of interest.

Whether he was stronger or weaker has always been of vague...until new revelations.

edited 13th Jul '16 6:43:48 AM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41679: Jul 13th 2016 at 6:46:06 AM

There has been reason - the battle powers printed during the very arc he did the training in question.

There is absolutely no reason to dismiss them out of hand.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41680: Jul 13th 2016 at 6:46:17 AM

You trust the word of a page of Shonen Jump that also has King Piccolo significantly stronger than Kami?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41681: Jul 13th 2016 at 6:47:29 AM

Yeah. Because God was really old in the Saiyan arc and stopped training.

"Significantly" lol. 260 vs 220.

edited 13th Jul '16 6:47:46 AM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41682: Jul 13th 2016 at 6:50:12 AM

That is a huge difference for Dragon Ball Power Levels.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41683: Jul 13th 2016 at 6:58:16 AM

[up][up]I wasn't actually dismissing those supplements, that "there's" is more of a "there was"...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41684: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:02:09 AM

[up][up] It's not even 20%. While there have been cases where that kind of gap has lead to a curb stomp, they're outnumbered by more even battles.

You have absolutely overstated it by calling it significant.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#41685: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:06:06 AM

Actually, Saiga is right.

If we take Goku's 330 power level and piccolo's 322 (and that's when both are wearing weighted clothes) into account, when you are at least in the same ballpark, the gap in power isn't significant enough to give the stronger one the advantage.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41686: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:07:52 AM

That same exact source has an even smaller difference between Muten Roshi and Cyborg Taopaipai, which is just as bullshit, might I add.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41687: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:10:57 AM

While you're clutching at straws, mind elaborating?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41688: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:21:16 AM

That Shonen Jump spread has Cyborg Taopaipai and Muten Roshi at 210 and 180 respectively, which is an even smaller difference than between Kami and King Piccolo, both numerically and percentage-wise. Roshi's Power Level there also directly contracts his canon Power Level of 139. Seriously, I don't see why you desperately cling to such an obviously wrong source when there are plenty of other obviously wrong sources that you ignore.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41689: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:22:38 AM

Roshi being 180 does seem odd.

I mean, unless he got weaker in the time before the saiyan arc that is.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41690: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:23:04 AM

But whatever, Saiga, if you want to be wrong, that's your choice, I don't really care what you think.

edited 13th Jul '16 7:23:54 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41691: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:31:34 AM

You're just cherry picking at this point.

Acting like Roshi's battle power never changes, despite them specifically noting Roshi's battle power being during the Daimao arc.

The difference between Tao and Roshi at two different points of time isn't even significant. They weren't directly compared!

I'm not "desperately" clinging to anything. The battle powers work just fine by me and they're a pretty important piece of information that would otherwise be missing. Everything you've said about them "obviously being wrong" is just you clutching at straws.

Furthermore, even if there were one or two contradictions there that doesn't mean the entire thing should be tossed out. The manga itself has contradictions but I'm not just going to put on my retard hat and say "oh well the dragon balls recharged eight months after the Pilaf arc wish so I guess everything the manga says is wrong!"

edit: Come on, that's just pathetic. You're saying so decisively that I'm wrong when your position can't actually be proven.

edited 13th Jul '16 7:32:49 AM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41692: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:36:12 AM

Think what you want.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#41693: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:42:06 AM

Well this is productive.

So what's this about Time Patrol Goku?

Are they letting anyone join the Time Patrol now? (though to be fair I... I guess they did sort of let a random kid join in Dragonball Online, and then Trunks just "wished" a new member into existence in Xenoverse)

Goku would do more damage to the timeline than anyone. Remember that Japanese special where Trunks took Goku and Gohan back to the time when Krillin and Goku were still training with Roshi?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41694: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:43:01 AM

At the very least Saiga's a better debater. And probably also right even ignoring that, but that's a different matter.

edited 13th Jul '16 7:43:45 AM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41695: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:45:16 AM

Heh, I do. I'm surprised to see it brought up.

[up] ayyyy

edited 13th Jul '16 7:45:37 AM by Saiga

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#41696: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:47:31 AM

Pushover, tgoing "lol you are wrong" is not a good way to preserve your dignity.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#41697: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:58:44 AM

Seriously Pushover, there's no need to be rude just because can't refute Saiga's point.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41698: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:03:07 AM

I brought up all the points necessary. If he refuses to listen, that's his choice. I've stopped caring one way or the other.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41699: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:04:34 AM

I'm not refusing to listen to anything. I responded to everything you said.

You are ignoring what several people have said to you and are doing the equivalent of the LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU defense. Accusing me of being the one not listening here is hilariously hypocritical.

edit: And the one thing you absolutely can't talk your way out of is that this can't possibly be proven right or wrong.

edited 13th Jul '16 8:05:30 AM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41700: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:09:55 AM

Whatever.


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