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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41201: Jun 30th 2016 at 5:08:59 PM

[up][up]It might actually be that instead of paralysis...they just don't know what or when to dodge.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#41202: Jun 30th 2016 at 5:51:30 PM

If I were Ginyu... I'd say Cooler would be a better target. Still fatal if I fail, but I wouldnt have to betray Freiza, and Freiza would likely find it hilarious. Either that, or incredibly insulting, but then you're stronger than him so who cares?

edited 30th Jun '16 5:51:46 PM by Zeromaeus

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#41203: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:42:31 PM

Oh, no, not insulting - Freeza would find it utterly hilarious indeed.

Which, mind you, does not mean Freeza wouldn't instantly kill Ginyu for doing it anyway. But then again, Freeza can just up and randomly kill anyone at any time and place just because he feels like it. He's the ultimate spoiled brat, since in all the universe there's only two beings he knows can tell him 'no' and live afterwards.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41204: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:46:31 PM

Except for possibly the Supreme Kais.

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#41205: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:00:50 PM

Freeza doesn't know the kaioshin, or at least doesn't know not to pick a fight with a supreme kai. He said the two people were God Of Destruction Beerus and Majin Buu.

edited 30th Jun '16 7:02:18 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#41206: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:04:46 PM

...Cold told him that, and Cold knows Beerus, who sleeps for long periods of time.

So then Supreme Kai's claim to beating Freeza with ease is bullsh't. Since Freeza spent the bulk of his time in his restricted form, maybe Kibito only figured that Supreme Kai could beat that Freeza easily?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41207: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:10:02 PM

Except both the original Japanese manga and Daizenshuu 7 state that Supreme Kai is far superior to the Super Namekian Piccolo.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#41208: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:19:57 PM

Supreme Kai is suggested to be somewhere between Kami-fused Piccolo and Perfect Cell in terms of power. That's more than enough power to be capable of defeating Freeza, at least before his Resurrection F training.

Also, remember that he was the weakest of the Supreme Kais, with at least one of the others suggested to be able to fight Kid Buu on even terms.

My guess is that the Supreme Kais simply don't interfere with the mortal world very much. Beerus goes on snack tours and that gets his name around, but for the most part the Supreme Kais remain aloof.

edited 30th Jun '16 7:20:53 PM by DarkHunter

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#41209: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:21:35 PM

Also the anime doesn't exactly go out of its way to disprove that (since P Iccolo is terrified).

When I was talking about people who would tell him 'No', I meant the Supreme Kai and Beerus. Technically Whis also counts, but Whis doesn't really give a flying fuck either way.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#41210: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:21:37 PM

If their performances against Buu in the anime-only flashback are considered, the order would seem to be South > West > North > East.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41211: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:32:33 PM

Except both the original Japanese manga and Daizenshuu 7 state that Supreme Kai is far superior to the Super Namekian Piccolo.

Really? There's actually an official word on that? I mean, I recall there was at least a bit of a debate on whether the Supreme Kai was stronger then Piccolo, or if the latter simply surrendered out of reverence towards who he was fighting. I suppose we have to wait until the Pope double confirms it.

Or we could eliminate him and end his reign of accurate Yamcha hating terror once and for all.

....What?

But anyway, if it is true, then I guess all the Supreme Kais are somewhere around the Level of Perfect Cell, with maybe the East Supreme Kai being more around the Level of Semi Perfect, or Maxxed out (after absorbing all those people) Imperfect Cell, which still puts him pretty high.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#41212: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:40:45 PM

Super Namekian Piccolo was honestly one of the bigger wastes in the series IMO. Along with Dabura.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41213: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:50:36 PM

That seems to happen quite often.

It's a damned shame, both in universe and out. They (only temporarily) sacrificed the Dragonballs to power Piccolo up, then promptly had him botch things again and again until he was once again totally out of his league.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#41214: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:57:01 PM

Yeah, the re-merger of Kami and Piccolo is really significant lorewise, but didn't meet that significance in his actual performance at all.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41215: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:02:13 PM

We were all about Saiyans at that point, the fact that he had as good a showing as he did should be the more surprising thing.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#41216: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:04:13 PM

His performance still should've matched his storyline importance IMO.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#41217: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:09:33 PM

It kind of did. He surpassed the Super Saiyans, even if only for a limited time. He had a legitimate shot at ending the threat.

He failed, yes, but he was never treated as a joke, he was given the necessary weight - it's just that Toriyama went "Oh shit I can't let him win this fight because the plot's fucked if he wins!".

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41218: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:15:15 PM

No it's not, the only thing that would've changed is Krill fish not having 18 as a girlfriend and a lower power scale for the next villains.

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#41219: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:51:21 PM

KRILL FISH ISN'T EVEN THE PUN HIS NAME IS FOR.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41220: Jun 30th 2016 at 9:13:54 PM

Randomness makes their own puns, mang.

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#41222: Jun 30th 2016 at 10:20:18 PM

I can't believe the first game was under sixty frames per second...I mean, I can, because I've seen it and all but it's a Dragon Ball game that takes place after the first world tournament on an HD console. Are we that far gone?

Loading times are one thing but shouldn't the game be fast once it gets done when its based on a fast premise on consoles that are supposed to be fast? What exactly is taking priority that results in slowdown? Is it taking the HD part too literally and obsessing over resolution which no one will really notice at the proper speed anyway?

edited 30th Jun '16 10:21:49 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#41223: Jun 30th 2016 at 10:21:34 PM

So I Steamed up Xenoverse 1. Sherbet is proving a perfectly handy time traveller.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41224: Jul 1st 2016 at 1:32:51 AM

If I recall correctly, the Supreme Kais' stated power is said to be either that of a Cell Jr or Perfect Cell. Not Super Perfect Cell to clarified.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#41225: Jul 1st 2016 at 3:07:30 AM

No it's not, the only thing that would've changed is Krill fish not having 18 as a girlfriend and a lower power scale for the next villains.

That's wrong though.

The actual result is everyone dying against Buu without being able to even scratch Dabura due to never discovering SSJ 2.

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