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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41151: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:54:06 PM

Destroy his time's Earth. That would also take away what's left of humanity in that timeline.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#41152: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:55:29 PM

So a universe and a timeline are different?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41153: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:57:30 PM

I thought it was clear they were.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41154: Jun 28th 2016 at 9:12:48 PM

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Yes. Trunks comes from a Alternate Timeline (that's still connected to the main timeline since they share some past events up until the point where Frieza shows up on Earth), but it's still a part of Universe 6.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41155: Jun 28th 2016 at 9:13:30 PM

Universe 7.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41156: Jun 28th 2016 at 9:20:58 PM

Shit.

I keep forgetting which is which.

But yeah, Universe 7.

I also just realized that my Trunks has created the GT timeline theory may not be right. So far, he hasn't done anything to alter the timeline besides just be there. We don't really know if the nail that altered the current timeline was Trunk killing Frieza and giving Goku the Heart Medicine, or Cell simply being there a year earlier.

Until Trunks makes significant changes, we can't say he's created an alternate timeline yet.

So relax GT haters. It's not canon....right now.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41157: Jun 28th 2016 at 9:23:01 PM

Aww...I want GT to be canon though, then we can make a fusion of Super Saiyan 4 and Super Saiyan Red into Super Saiyan White/5. tongue

Also, Universe 7, 7 Dragon Balls?

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#41158: Jun 28th 2016 at 10:31:40 PM

I wonder. What if...

The time machine doesn't change the future it came from. It creates another timeline. However, if that is a Time Breaker ring, then it wouldn't act that way. I wonder if Black has locked himself out of the bad future.

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#41159: Jun 28th 2016 at 10:45:09 PM

Since the original plot of Dragon Ball Online suggested that Towa had betrayed the demon world, and Super's going back to that "time travel is a sin" thing...

We know that Bulma's time machine doesn't alter events, that's why Supreme Kai of time said Trunks technically didn't sin, but the Towa's time travel does. Maybe that's how she betrayed the demon world?

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#41160: Jun 28th 2016 at 11:34:00 PM

The biggest issue with the idea that "Black Goku is punishing Trunks for messing with time" is why wouldn't he TELL Trunks that? Black is wiping out humanity indiscriminately, not searching for Trunks and Bulma.

Not to mention if he wanted to annihilate all humans, he could just blow up the Earth and get it done with. He's at least stronger than Super Saiyan 2. It should be easy. Heck, wiping the planet of its humans should also be easy. Either it's another story issue, or Black is taking his time wiping them out for the lolz.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41161: Jun 29th 2016 at 6:17:53 AM

Or he just made up that punishing humanity bullshit up.

He also said he'd done it to other planets. Are they all guilty of time travel?

Considering his methods (strong enough to do it quickly, but opts to hunt them down slowly instead) it's highly likely he's just a sadist.

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#41162: Jun 29th 2016 at 6:35:29 AM

There very well might be some obscure rule that humanity broke. The cosmic authorities in DB are kind of, you know, unreasonable sometimes.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41163: Jun 29th 2016 at 6:52:54 AM

Technically Trunks is from the original timeline. Our heroes are from an offshoot timeline that everyone in existence pays attention to instead of his because everyone there is cooler.

Though then again, timelines should probably supercede universes - chances are Trunks has his own version of the multiverse where he's from.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41164: Jun 29th 2016 at 11:21:28 AM

Not sure why Black Goku would make up punishing humanity. It isn't like the other villains in the series needed an excuse to be sadistic dicks.

I don't think he's punishing humanity for time travel since he's very surprised that Trunks traveled across time.

He could be doing this for justice or whatever, but decides to kill slowly as part of the punishment, or he's being a sadistic Knight Templar.

edited 29th Jun '16 11:23:56 AM by Ramona122003

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41165: Jun 29th 2016 at 11:52:00 AM

So here's a thought:

If Future Trunks decides to power himself up again, what do you think he'll go for:

The Hidden Power Ritual to achieve the Mystic form, or the Super Saiyan God Ritual (since his presence means they had enough to do it properly now)?

The God Ritual would make him stronger, but Mystic form (provided he maintains his training, which he has more of a reason to do then Gohan) is more stable, and less stressful on the body.

I'd go with Mystic myself. Since Goku and Vegeta were able to re-use the Hypertonic Lion tamer again before the universe 6 vs 7 tournament (even though Vegeta already went in twice and should have lost his time), it might mean that re-creating the chamber in the Buu saga reset the time for everyone, and he could actually shorten the time by doing it in there, and then still have hours to spare later.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41166: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:06:35 PM

'Mystic', seriously where did this term come from, isn't a form. The power Gohan got from Old Kai is just all his hidden power unleashed and pushed past it's limits. Trunks can get his hidden unlock, but it's questionable if it will be as dramatic as Gohan.

And even if it is, it would still be far below Goku and Vegeta whose base forms alone are stronger that Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.

Trunks could go through the God ritual, but it's debatable if he can keep the power like Goku. Remember, Super Saiyan God is supposed to be a temporary power-up. Goku absorbing the power of godhood wasn't expected.

Trunks best bet is to train towards godhood like Vegeta. Of course, getting Whis to train him is another matter.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#41167: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:16:44 PM

Not sure why "mystic" either. I think it's just something the fans came up with back in the day, that then became semi-official when some English-language Dragonball media started using it as well.

In any case, if Future Trunks does power up more, probably he'll go for Super Saiyan God over the full potential increase. Remember that Gohan is something of an outlier, with ridiculously enormous amounts of potential. I don't think Old Kai's powerup would provide such a drastic increase for most other people.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41168: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:18:00 PM

Do ya want it to be called "Magic" Gohand instead? It's because of magic that he's mystic...and he clearly has to power up in order to do it, it's a form.

The name comes from the games.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41169: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:21:55 PM

Not sure you're serious.

There's nothing magical about Gohan having his full power unleashed. And personally I think the term Ultimate Gohan works since this is supposed to be Gohan in his ultimate form with all his hidden power at his finger tips.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#41170: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:24:36 PM

"All" being a loose term of course.Cause Gohan's potential is a bottomless pit.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#41171: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:25:19 PM

Okay, I can kind of understand Blooma or whatever but why do you keep falling him Gohand? There is absolutely no reason to add a D into his name.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41172: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:26:51 PM

[up][up][up]The fact that Old Kai gave Gohand a power boost that somehow made him stronger in base than SSJ (even though that multiplies base form), yeah...that's not magic at all.

[up]I remember someone used it once.

edited 29th Jun '16 12:28:52 PM by randomness4

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#41173: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:32:01 PM

It's no more magical than when the Grand Elder boasted Gohan's power just by touching his head.

Gohan had all his latent power unleashed by Old Kai, which is why he didn't need Super Saiyan anymore until he slacked off.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41174: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:50:56 PM

('~'): Yeah...it doesn't make any sense. All the Elder did was pull out some leftovers. Old Kai did a whole ritual without even touchin' 'im.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#41175: Jun 29th 2016 at 1:00:32 PM

[up]I remember someone used it once.

That was a typo! I did it once! ONCE!

Training towards Godhood would take too long. The Ultimate Power-up is just a few hours of his time for all the power he has at his fingertips without transforming. More to the power, it comes without the stress of needing to transform.

And since he's not a slacker like Gohan, he'd likely be able to maintain his full power, and therefore avoid Gohan's problems in later arcs. If nothing else, both Babidi and Black have given Trunks very good reasons to keep his power up.

That being said, the god power up might be better in the long run, if for no other reason then the fact that it would ensure that nothing short of Beerus would be a threat anymore, while with the Ultimate Power up, there's still a chance of some stronger asshole showing up to wreck shit.

I still say the Ultimate Ritual might be better in the long run however. Less stress on the body.

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