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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41101: Jun 27th 2016 at 9:36:17 AM

[up][up][up]Because he's as powerful as Perfect Cell...and teamwork never works when they're weaker.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#41103: Jun 27th 2016 at 10:33:33 AM

I wonder if there will ever be a Golden Cooler since he already has a fifth form. Shredder Cooler looks better anyway.

Bolded1 Fate, guide me from behind you!!!!!!!! Since: Mar, 2015
Fate, guide me
#41104: Jun 27th 2016 at 10:35:29 AM

Probably in Heroes.

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LLSmoothJ (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#41105: Jun 27th 2016 at 11:32:54 AM

I kinda like to think that Cooler realized how Awesome, but Impractical the golden form is and decided not to use it.

Now I'm thinking about Abridged!Perfect Cell criticizing Freeza for rushing to fight Goku before making sure there were no flaws with his new form. Bringing up that Cooler could probably reach it but realized how flawed it was.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#41106: Jun 27th 2016 at 11:54:48 AM

I think you are mistaken

Shredder Cooler is Impractical, it's ultimately not that stronger than their final form. Regular Super Saiyan Goku defeated him with ease, so the transformation was useless.

The Golden form was actually stronger that Super Saiyan Blue, the Golden form is extremely useful. The problem was Freeza not mastering the form before having his rematch with Goku.

@Hobgoblin: I disagree, Shredder Cooler looks overly complicated and ultimately the boost isn't great at all.

edited 27th Jun '16 12:00:26 PM by Cortez

LLSmoothJ (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#41107: Jun 27th 2016 at 12:11:08 PM

My mistake then. Been awhile since I saw Resurrection F.

Bolded1 Fate, guide me from behind you!!!!!!!! Since: Mar, 2015
Fate, guide me
#41108: Jun 27th 2016 at 12:28:43 PM

Speaking of Cooler, I realized how the fifth form being impractical compared to the others.

I mean, the final transformations of the villains (or the heroes) were always pretty smooth and not really menacing-looking (SSJ God, Final Form Frieza, Perfect Cell, Kid Buu, even characters like Beerus, Whis or Zen'o count) but they're often miles above the more monstrous transformations in power, kid buu aside.

Cooler's ultimate former was all big and menacing-looking but ultimately not that effective so, huh, here's that.

Now, I might just be realizing a common fact but heh.

edited 27th Jun '16 12:29:55 PM by Bolded1

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#41109: Jun 27th 2016 at 1:30:56 PM

Shredder Cooler is Impractical

Only after the Golden Form was introduced.

My vote's still for Shredder Cooler.

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#41110: Jun 27th 2016 at 1:31:38 PM

What is it with Frieza's clan and messing up their golden forms? tongue

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#41111: Jun 27th 2016 at 2:31:34 PM

The Gohan that was having trouble with Dabura would have wrecked 17 and 18 while barely breaking a sweat. So yeah, Dabura would stomp them.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#41112: Jun 27th 2016 at 3:01:31 PM

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No, it was impractical even before. It was about as useful against a Super Saiyan as the 4th form, making it kinda pointless.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#41113: Jun 27th 2016 at 3:03:36 PM

To be fair, Goku was supposed to be stronger in that movie than he was against Frieza, massively so if you take Final Cooler's V-Jump power level of 480 million into account.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41114: Jun 27th 2016 at 3:06:03 PM

Not to mention Cooler himself being weaker than Freeza in the same 4th form state.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#41115: Jun 27th 2016 at 3:10:53 PM

Well that and Frieza's Ultimate Evolution didn't even start out gold; he straight up made it gold himself because he thought it was fitting. When we see Frieza exit out of the state after his pummeling from Vegeta in Resurrection F, the form actually loses its gold coloring and assumes the same color as Frieza's natural body, before he drops down to his true form.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#41116: Jun 27th 2016 at 3:47:55 PM

...

Do we really know Shredder Cooler is a 5th form.

I mean, what if Cooler has less forms and actually took on a second form.

Or more to the point, what if that's just what he looks like with his fully mastered power?

Eh whatever. Cool's a movie character so it feels pointless to try and figure out how powerful he really is. He's as power as he has to be to be a threat and nothing more.

....Despite how overly complicated it is, I do like Shredder Coola. I think it works for him. Frieza goes for a smooth and sleek looking form that (if you don't have a scouter or the ability to sense ki) looks less intimidating than the two forms that came before, while Coola goes for something big and imposing that leaves little doubt in the would be victims mind that getting rekt is the order of the day.

edited 27th Jun '16 3:48:11 PM by HandsomeRob

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41117: Jun 27th 2016 at 3:50:13 PM

His description of it makes it sounds like a genuine transformation he discovered, without which Frieza would have surpassed him. And unlike with Frieza's (and presumably Cooler's own) transformations, he's actually transforming up and not down.

edited 27th Jun '16 3:50:40 PM by LSBK

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#41118: Jun 27th 2016 at 4:04:57 PM

Frieza's 4th form is his base form, which means Cooler is also in his base form, and Transformed Cooler and Golden Form Frieza are both powered-up forms.

edited 27th Jun '16 4:05:30 PM by Rinsankajugin

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King of Burgers
#41119: Jun 27th 2016 at 4:08:20 PM

Say what you will about Cooler fifth form, but it's fight against base Goku is still one of the most brutal and one-sided beat downs in the franchise history.

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#41120: Jun 27th 2016 at 4:36:14 PM

Casual reminder that base Goku was beating 4th Form Cooler, without Kaio-Ken, and that 5th Form Cooler crushed Goku using Kaio-Kenx20. Just using simple math, Cooler's 5th Form must be significantly larger than a 20 times multiplier.

edited 27th Jun '16 4:37:35 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41121: Jun 27th 2016 at 4:38:56 PM

Was he beating him, I remember them being fairly even until Cooler transformed.

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#41122: Jun 27th 2016 at 4:40:04 PM

He had a slight advantage.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#41123: Jun 27th 2016 at 4:53:31 PM

I don't like the idea that Cooler's 5th form is something he just "discovered". I prefer it as a bio-augmentation, hence the weird mask and unnatural shoulders.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#41125: Jun 27th 2016 at 8:59:49 PM

You know, I'm surprised we haven't heard Saiga's thoughts on the new Super chapter at all.

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