And the Pikkon stuff makes sense when you bring up the whole "Dead Bodies are more durable" thing. I think most people just assume that Super Kaioken would make Goku's body explode if he was alive.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariSee, that I never get.
It was supposed to kill him when he pushed it past how many times? Two? Three?. Goku pushed it further.
I don't get why "well his base power's higher, the higher your base power, the faster it kills you" is the accepted explanation. Regardless of there being no evidence of that, Goku deliberately broke the ability and shot it higher than he should have in the Saiyan Saga. Then, in the Namek saga, when he was stronger, he started using even higher multipliers, didn't he?
But if Super Saiyan multiplied his power, then Kaioken multiplied his power - Kaioken would destroy him? What supports that?
And throwing out the logic of the whole thing, thematically, watching Goku breaking limitations and expectations is what makes his character great, isn't it?
- Roshi tells Goku the Kamehameha takes a long time to learn. Goku learns it in five seconds.
- Roshi expects Goku and Krillin to push a boulder and that this will get them off his back for awhile. They proceed to do so in a time that not only frightens Roshi, but they push it farther than he expected.
- Saiyans have it as a biological function to come back tougher every time they get their asses whooped.
- Goku obtains Super Saiyan God. The form runs out and Goku keeps fighting without even realizing it.
But for some reason Kaioken, for lack of Goku using it (and Toriyama most likely forgetting about it), everyone goes, "Ah, well if he used that and this , the exertion would kill him!"
edited 18th Jun '16 11:09:06 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I think that Goku being stronger than Hit for this brief instant somehow allowed him to power past his hax. It's like when Vegito still carried out curb-stomping Buuhan even as a candy, I guess.
IDK with god forms granting immunity to time-skip, Vegeta still got clowned.
edited 18th Jun '16 11:47:59 AM by Bolded1
Nautolan picture belongs to Bonesmarinated on twitterHaving godly ki just makes you better than most people, even smaller deities.
Makes you resistant to time manipulation, immune to demonic possession and influence, and it shreds pretty much all body fat.
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30467&p=1105062#p1105062
Summary of the chapter by a kanzenshuu member.
... Huh, now that I think about it, if the God Form makes you lose body mass, does it mean that the stronger your God Form is, the more body mass you lose?
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Well that explains why Beerus looks like he does.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariMaybe it works the other way around in Universe 6?
And it would've been hilarious if they'd lost the tournament, gone to the other universe, and suddenly going SSJB made them super fat.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariTo be fair, the only time Super Saiyan 2 meant anything was when Gohan used it to defeat Cell.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!I'm pretty sure the god form doesn't give one immunity to time stop because Vegeta has it. There are two explanations I, personally, accept.
One: once your power level gets high enough things stop working the way they should on you. This goes all the way back to "Jackie Chun's" lightning thing.
Two: Goku can manipulate time too, as well as space. He developed instant transmission by studying beings who manipulated space and time, so him studying Hit and then beating Hit's time skip makes sense.
A side note, it seems the mangaka dislikes Vegeta even more than I do. I love it! With all these deviations, maybe the manga will just stop shilling the anime and come up with it's own plots and characters? Granted, the last time that happened with a TOEI project that I remember, it kind of sucked, but there is precedent for a manga and anime to go and separate directions and both be good.
edited 18th Jun '16 2:31:03 PM by IndirectActiveTransport
Buldogue's lawyerActually, apparently the reason for why Vegeta lost to Hit at all is, well, because the SSB form is a stamina drain; it's not feasible to use it in rapid succession like Vegeta did, and when he used the form against Hit, he had actually lost 90% of his power, meaning he was only at a SSB 10% state. A few lines between Goku and Vegeta after the match have Goku point out that Vegeta would have actually won against Hit, if he hadn't lost so much power by showing off against Cabba.
So yes, this entire tournament was entirely pointless, since either Goku or Vegeta could have blown through everyone on their own.
edited 18th Jun '16 2:24:18 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Worth noting that when Hit's move powered up again, he caught Goku in the time-skip, so I really think that it's more of a matter of Goku's brute strength overcoming Hit's for a moment, which would fit with Vegito resisting Buu's own hax and stuff.
Anyhow, I'm really hyped for the Goku Black arc btw. I dislike Happy Ending Override but it looks really good so far.
edited 18th Jun '16 2:24:18 PM by Bolded1
Nautolan picture belongs to Bonesmarinated on twitterAlso, explanation for the Time Skip thing.
Goku is stronger than Hit in terms of pure power with just SS, but he uses up too much stamina to keep up in that form. Goes SSG.
Hit can only fully Time-Stop opponents for the full 0.1 seconds if they're weaker than him. The further they are above him, the less it lasts. So when goku goes SSG, he has trouble holding him back the full time.
Unlike the anime where hit has a set level of power at first, and then later makes huge gains to his power and improved Time-Skip via "growth", Manga!Hit is just hiding his true power at first and unleashes it to counter SSG. He says it's been so long since he used it, that it may not even last a minute.
Also, this:
Yes, yes he does.
Well it's not like he powerups through "growth" like in the anime, he's just holding back his power like Frieza was doing. Also, his Time Skip remains as a 0.1 seconds time stop throughout the fight, he just uses more of his held back power to make it harder for Goku to resist it; it doesn't grow in length like in the anime.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!

It accomplishes the same purpose I suppose - but come on.
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