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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39401: May 29th 2016 at 4:58:58 AM

However, that doesn't mean it's not extreme in the context of Dragon Ball either (in terms of big muscled guys here).

It's not extreme in the context of Dragon Ball. There are plenty of characters whose muscles are more extreme, even when factoring in their larger build/size, and it doesn't seem to worry them at all.

On Trunks and Super Saiyan 2 - I think it's more likely Akira Toriyama won't mention Super Saiyan 2, and he'll just be stronger than expected as a Super Saiyan 1. Toriyama doesn't seem really interested in Super Saiyan 2 anymore, and it is so obsolete that it would do little to make Trunks strong enough to matter.

Franky, between the multiple sources we have, Super's power levels are so fucked up I can't really anticipate what Trunks will have except that Toriyama doesn't seem interested in 2 and 3 anymore.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#39402: May 29th 2016 at 4:59:54 AM

Either way...the point was, unless Future Trunks had unlocked his SSJ2 potential he'd be screwed. At least then he could maybe have a chance.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39403: May 29th 2016 at 5:04:51 AM

No, he wouldn't. That's a completely arbitrary level that doesn't have any relevance to the current antagonists.

If he stayed at Super Saiyan = instantly killed by antagonists on the level we've been getting recently unless he avoids fighting them directly or is written as being much stronger

If he obtained Super Saiyan 2 = instantly killed by antagonists on the level we've been getting recently unless he avoids fighting them directly or is written as being much stronger

We have no hints that the dangers he'll be facing fall into the very narrow range where Super Saiyan 2 would actually make a difference to his survivability.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#39404: May 29th 2016 at 5:06:25 AM

I meant he'd be screwed by Dabura...if he would've had to face him in bad future.

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#39405: May 29th 2016 at 5:08:40 AM

x4[up]Not counting the Oozarus, I can only think of Broly and Bojack for hulkish characters in Dragon Ball. And those two aren't even canon. Oh, and Android 13.

Perhaps Buu in his "buffed out" form?[1] But even then, Goku comments on his massive muscles, so it's not like crazy muscles are normal in Dragon Ball.

And even in Super, for some reason the characters seem skinnier than normal. Why does Krillin now look like a child, despite the fact that he's older now?

edited 29th May '16 5:15:19 AM by hardcorefakes

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39406: May 29th 2016 at 5:08:41 AM

Oh, that. Nah, he wouldn't necessarily need Super Saiyan 2 for that but I do think he'd need to be stronger than he was at the Cell Games.

But there's not much reason for Babidi to show up in that timeline. Future Trunks' timeline is already way past the point where Babidi should have appeared, but he hasn't because there wasn't enough energy on Earth.

[up] Nappa and Recoome are taller but have proportionally more extreme muscles than Trunks did. Noticeably so.

edited 29th May '16 5:21:21 AM by Saiga

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#39407: May 29th 2016 at 5:11:08 AM

I completely overlooked time passage, lame.

Toriyama really did think of everything.

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#39408: May 29th 2016 at 5:27:13 AM

[1]

More extreme than Trunks? [2]

Both of these guys must weigh at least 300 pounds regardless.

I will concede Nappa though. But both Recoome and Nappa are exceptions, certainly not the norm.

edited 29th May '16 5:29:50 AM by hardcorefakes

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#39409: May 29th 2016 at 5:39:22 AM

At least with Trunks's muscle growth, we can see that it's not as natural. We've seen what his body looks like normally and with regular Super Saiyan. His Grade 3/Ultra/whatever form is a step beyond that, which is a step beyond Vegeta's form, which is a step beyond Super Saiyan. At least with Nappa and Recoome, we assume that's their natural state.

Maybe at that point Toriyama was thinking "there's only so much more buff I can make these guys without it seeming a little ridiculous". Even Super Saiyan 3 wasn't as extreme.

edited 29th May '16 5:40:20 AM by LOLypop1224

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39410: May 29th 2016 at 5:43:47 AM

Those are inconsistent image sources, for one. The anime version of Trunks does look more extreme.

My main point is, (in the manga) Trunks' muscles aren't really big enough to work as the sole reason he loses speed. We've got too many diverse body shapes that show no bearing on speed to buy into that idea.

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#39411: May 29th 2016 at 5:47:13 AM

I definitely agree with that.

Although, to be fair, it's not like Recoome and Nappa are renowned for their speed though. They're mostly just brutes.

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#39412: May 29th 2016 at 6:40:57 AM

But that idea is still one I liked, even if the idea didn't reflect it. Before we got my U6 roster my idea was for the female Saiyans to be different from our Saiyans because they stuck to the graded forms, and instead found a way to better distribute the muscle mass in Grade III so that they became taller and more balanced.
So Weight Taller? I'm glad that didn't get used then.

The only real merit I see in different super saiyan forms is if the universe 6 saiyans are going to stay around as The Rival with the constant question of whose is better, and even then, making their forms different because they're female seems silly.

And I think saiyans have more than enough forms as is. There's already the possibility of furthering the werewolf monkey form if you want an alternate and that would really be more interesting than Weight Taller.

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#39413: May 29th 2016 at 6:40:59 AM

Saiga: So what you're saying is that Gero, the Androids and Cell saved the universe from the ravages of Majin Buu?

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#39414: May 29th 2016 at 6:45:39 AM

Not really. There's still a possibility that Babidi could drain the energy from humans. Trunks alone would provide a lot (even if not as much as Gohan), and once Earth repopulated, it's theoretically possible to get it from the human population if he had enough patience.

Gero really only delayed things in Trunks' time.

Of course, this is Babidi, so I doubt he does have the patience really.

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#39415: May 29th 2016 at 6:46:00 AM

So... The SS form Future Trunks took on to kill the Androids wasn't SS2? Because I've seen games treat that as 2.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#39416: May 29th 2016 at 6:54:42 AM

Guys, I just realized, who the heck are the enemy team?

They don't seem to be existing characters.

edited 29th May '16 6:55:07 AM by Rinsankajugin

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#39417: May 29th 2016 at 6:56:27 AM

The Trunks that killed the Androids and Cell was regular SSJ

edited 29th May '16 6:58:34 AM by randomness4

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#39418: May 29th 2016 at 6:58:41 AM

Could very well be randomized characters or other fusions.

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#39419: May 29th 2016 at 10:25:02 AM

One looks like Zarbon fused with someone, at least.

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#39420: May 29th 2016 at 11:39:22 AM

Somehow I doubt that was consensual.

Then again, Zarbon is one Bishounen-looking motherf'cker.

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#39421: May 29th 2016 at 12:01:57 PM

He's also green though. I don't think that would be very attractive in real life.

Then again, there are people who would bang Mystique in her scaly blue form, so yeah, whatever.

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#39422: May 29th 2016 at 1:21:20 PM

I'm on a 3DS, so the resolution's pretty shit, and I can't zoom in, but the blue-headed guy kind of looks like a Freeza/Krillin fusion.

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#39423: May 29th 2016 at 2:04:28 PM

[up][up]That's a very unpleasant mental image you just gave me, thanks.

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edited 29th May '16 2:04:56 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#39424: May 29th 2016 at 2:30:47 PM

Okay, so in the latest episode: the Superhuman Water is a misnomer, the purple goo is actually called Commeson and was originally created as a weapon by beetle guy's species. It covers people, drains them of all their Ki, and copies a bit of their personality as well. The person drained dies in 3-5 minutes.

Goten and Trunks form Gotenks and try to fight Copy Vegeta, but even in Super Saiyan 3, they are brutally outmatched, despite Copy Vegeta only taking Base Vegeta's strength. Goku teleports in and stops Copy Vegeta from dealing the final blow. Goku initially doesn't know which Vegeta is which: the purple goo one, or the normal one that's just kind of fading away. The Copy of that alien pirate is apparently the main one, and tries to force Copy Vegeta to absorb Goku, but Copy Vegeta disobeys and destroys him. The episode ends on a cliff-hanger with Goku and Copy Vegeta about to fight.

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#39425: May 29th 2016 at 2:32:23 PM

[up][up][up][up]Wow. I hope no green people are reading this thread right now.

edited 29th May '16 2:32:54 PM by Hobgoblin


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