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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#38726: May 9th 2016 at 8:17:10 PM

[up][up] There was but Goku killed it in chapter 1.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#38727: May 9th 2016 at 8:17:13 PM

Well, to be fair, Trunks's introduction was straight out of a bad fanfic, so I have faith this'll be good.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#38728: May 9th 2016 at 8:52:19 PM

"Freeza's back, and he's a robot now and he's bringing his dad too! Suddenly, while everyone is freaking out, a mysterious stranger appears! He's a teenage boy with purple hair, and he's wearing black pants and a black work-out shirt with a short-cut Capsule Corps jacket on top. He wields a sword and effortlessly kills all the Freeza Soldiers, Freeza, and King Cold with ease because he can turn Super Saiyan, just like Goku. He comes from a future hellscape dominated by two Androids more powerful than the most powerful being in the universe and he's the son of Bulma and Vegeta (fuck Bulcha, Bulgeta fo' lyfe!1). He meets Goku and they fight and Goku blocks all of his sword slashes with one finger (C, does that sound lik a mery su to yu?!1)."

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#38729: May 9th 2016 at 8:53:40 PM

I still think both King Cold and Dabura were kind of wasted. Both had excellent Big Bad potential, particularly the latter.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38730: May 9th 2016 at 8:55:23 PM

Dabura didn't really have much potential. He was enslaved since the first moment we met him. Probably could have had a better showing, though.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#38731: May 9th 2016 at 8:57:25 PM

[up] I could totally see, in another series, Dabura's "enslavement" being exactly what he wanted Babidi to think. The second the latter becomes a liability, here comes the backstab and Dabura's the new head honcho.

Then you'd get to Buu the arc after that.

edited 9th May '16 8:59:42 PM by HamburgerTime

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#38732: May 9th 2016 at 9:04:59 PM

I actually feel a little bad for Dabura. I don't think we ever actually see him do anything evil of his own volition until Babidi has him killed for shits and giggles.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#38733: May 9th 2016 at 9:37:15 PM

Yeah. Dabura and his Bad Ass demon army might have been a pretty cool arc.

Shame Toriyama threw him under the bus the way he did.

Then again, it was already made clear that Gohan would have rekt the Demon King if he'd kept up his training, and despite fighting poorly, I don't re-call Dabura succeeding in taking any energy from him for Buu.

Goku and Vegeta would have destroyed him as well.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#38734: May 9th 2016 at 10:37:25 PM

Dabura was a neat concept that was wasted, yes.

Honestly, I think the Buu Arc would've been a lot better if instead of strong villains we had villains who leveled the playing field with their weird magic.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38735: May 9th 2016 at 10:48:30 PM

Weird magic and unique abilities? Perhaps even a bit durable or the evasive type.

edited 9th May '16 10:48:52 PM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38736: May 9th 2016 at 10:49:24 PM

That sounds pretty early Dragon Ball.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#38737: May 9th 2016 at 11:05:46 PM

Yeah, something like that. Buu was pretty strong, admittedly, but he probably only stuck around as long as he did anyway due to his regeneration just making him annoying to kill. They probably could've handled that in a more interesting way, since Cell already covered that in the previous arc.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#38738: May 9th 2016 at 11:54:10 PM

They sure Cell did, but Buu's regeneration was more interesting for creative use.

edited 9th May '16 11:54:43 PM by randomness4

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#38739: May 10th 2016 at 12:56:01 AM

Weird abilities to even the playing field against overwhelming power is early Dragon Ball and current Dragon Ball Super's shtick.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#38740: May 10th 2016 at 1:10:12 AM

Well, it's at least more creative than "Oh man, this guy's 1000x stronger than anything we've seen before!"

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#38741: May 10th 2016 at 1:24:57 AM

I do wish we could see what Demon World is like.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#38742: May 10th 2016 at 3:18:06 AM

I'm fairly sure that the fight with Babidi's minions was all about how gimmicks don't work, like the fighter whose gimmick was fighting in increased gravity and the fighter whose gimmick was energy eating, and the fighter whose gimmick was stonespit.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#38743: May 10th 2016 at 4:13:01 AM

They just needed better gimmicks. Like hidden poison sting or time stop.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#38744: May 10th 2016 at 4:25:53 AM

Neither of those would've worked if the users were too weak to matter at all... or if Frost had been facing an opponent that wasn't sandbagging.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#38745: May 10th 2016 at 4:37:29 AM

[up][up][up] Which was really cool.

I would also love the Boo arc for daring to go "Always Someone Better is just wrong" which I appreciate due to how much others cling to the idea.

Also, Dabra got to go to heaven in the end. So I don't feel too bad for him.

edited 10th May '16 4:37:38 AM by Saiga

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#38746: May 10th 2016 at 4:52:49 AM

Well at least we have some idea of who to blame. Toriyama writes a plot which TOEI then takes and changes to fit with a number of episodes. We already knew he was "story boarding" the universe six stuff, so everything wrong with the Battle Of Gods and Revival Of F retellings is one TOEI.

It's still a question with the universe six stuff, Majin Buu not participating is the only thing I've heard of that doesn't sit right, besides the weight scale issues we've already discussed.

Still, I have my doubts about the Time Breakers being behind "Black Goku". Much of Miira's antics in Dragon Ball Online were centered around Goku, due to a strange obsession he had with Goku, but the fact that was all happening suggests that Miira failed to do anything of consequence. And if we go by their corrupting tactics in "Xenoverse", Demigra couldn't control Goku so I don't see what the time breakers could do to any version of Son Goku strong enough to warrant a saga as central antagonist. I got the impression Demigra was supposed to be stronger than Miira/Towa. Finally, what made the time breakers so significant in both games was that Towa was a brilliant scientist who had by passed the alternate timeline thing and learned to directly travel backwards in time to change history. Them pulling a black Goku from an alternate timeline is completely against their whole gimmick. I'm pretty sure with Goku being dead in the Future Trunks timeline Black Goku isn't the Goku we've been following at all but instead what he's named for.

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Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#38747: May 10th 2016 at 7:18:44 AM

Dabura's horns should have been bigger than his ears, though. tongue

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38748: May 10th 2016 at 8:31:26 AM

Yea, that's actually something I noted in he Buu saga; the protagonists are still arguably stronger most of the time, but the antagoists` unique abilities made them extremely formidable.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#38749: May 10th 2016 at 10:36:09 AM

DBH secret cards revealed!

  • Demon God Demigra with God Meteor
  • Tapion that transforms into Hirudegarn (I call it Vessel Tapion)

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014

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