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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37976: Apr 21st 2016 at 8:54:15 AM

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I am calm.

And I mean that sincerely and not in the claiming to be calm, but actually angry type of way.

[up][up][up] See, I've asked that question as well. Apparently, Tien told Yamcha and Chiaotzu to stay behind because he didn't expect them to be able to help much. But yeah, it's bullshit that Roshi is there, and Yamcha isn't especially since Roshi is shown to be still much stronger than the Frieza soldiers, which means that Yamcha should be as well.

They literally threw away a chance to give the guy some on screen victories for some reason.

[up] Pretty much.

edited 21st Apr '16 8:55:10 AM by HandsomeRob

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#37977: Apr 21st 2016 at 8:55:33 AM

Because Resurrection of Freeza is disappointing.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37978: Apr 21st 2016 at 8:59:54 AM

...

Eh I still like it. T'was nice to see the others doing something beyond just getting stomped into the ground...

Sure they fell back into their usual role not long after but for a while we were reminded that a lot of these guys either were, or are the strongest fighters on earth.

That being said, they also came up with bullshit excuses to keep some of the stronger fighters away as well.

edited 21st Apr '16 9:00:29 AM by HandsomeRob

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#37979: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:00:38 AM

Yeah. I get that the characters were chosen because this is Namek Nostalgia: The Movie/Arc, but there's some seriously selective nostalgia going on here.

  • Android 18? Stay in the Kitchen, you weren't part of the story. Krillin, you were, so you're in. Remember, this is all about consistency to the Namek arc.
  • Gohan, you're in, but you were basically a Damsel in Distress during most of the arc, so don't be too awesome. Consistency.
  • Piccolo, you got to be briefly cool before being promptly wrecked, so let's do that again.
  • Tagoma, you didn't exist until now so we'll just make you a plot device to build up Captain Ginyu. Don't complain, this is about consistency.
  • Gotenks...I guess we can make a joke out of you but then you literally have to go home because you weren't part of this story any more than 18 was.
  • Tien, you're definitely in. What, consistency? Well, you did have that filler arc fighting the Ginyus so as far as I'm concerned, you're gold.
  • Yamcha and Chiaotzu? No, you weren't part of Namek. Filler arc fighting the Ginyus? That's filler, don't be ridiculous.
  • Kame-sennin, you're in because...uh...because...f*ck it, who cares.

edited 21st Apr '16 9:03:38 AM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37980: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:03:33 AM

You forgot Buu conveniently falling asleep right at this time.

This is the problem with the series. There are characters so strong that if they were allowed to fight sometimes, there'd be no tension, so they have to keep coming up with ways for them to either be a non factor, or creating enemies that outclass them completely anyway.

And this is because Toriyama made everyone, heroes and villain alike was too strong.

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#37981: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:06:47 AM

That's not really the issue here. Next to Tien, Gohan and Piccolo fall under that umbrella. Gohan's supposed to be more powerful than Mr. Buu while Piccolo is stronger than Android 18, and yet Buu and 18 were left out. There's no opponent Tien could possibly beat that Gohan couldn't vaporize with a stern glare.

Meanwhile, Kame-sennin has a battle power in the low three digits. Even Tien can fight circles around him without breaking a sweat. He stopped trying to keep up before Raditz arrived.

And then there's Krillin who's powerful enough that he could handle Tien with one hand tied behind his back but would lose an arm-wrestling match with Piccolo's left pinky.

The inclusions and exclusions of this arc have nothing to do with leaving characters who are "too powerful" home. The power scales of the protagonists present for the battle are all over the chart.

edited 21st Apr '16 9:08:22 AM by TobiasDrake

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#37982: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:10:48 AM

They could've skipped out on Roshi and that new guy, easily bring room for Yamcha and 18...I mean Chaozu.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#37983: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:13:38 AM

I would like Resurrection of Freeza much more if it was literally just Fanservice dedicated to the characters that dropped off in relevance a long time ago, which would also include Freeza because I don't care for his "4 months" thing.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#37985: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:41:17 AM

I don't see why you'd called Resurrection of Frieza disappointing. The entire concept is terrible, how could it get your hopes up?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#37986: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:42:13 AM

I meant to allude to it being bad from the get-go without causing a weird debate.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#37987: Apr 21st 2016 at 9:51:14 AM

Well, I liked it. Averting Villain Forgot to Level Grind is nice for a change.

edited 21st Apr '16 9:51:46 AM by Eriorguez

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#37988: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:20:04 AM

@Tobias: What about Jaco?

Jaco has even less reason to be here than Kame-sennin. He's from a side manga. He was never even part of the main Dragon Ball manga so his presence in Namek Nostalgia: The Movie/Arc is baffling.

So far as his character, I'm undecided. So far, they've just played him for comedy. Most of that comedy is derived from him cowardly trying to flee the scene and Bulma abusing him into staying. Not only is that not particularly funny, but I sort of feel like he's actually taking his character slot away from Yamcha. Yamcha could just as easily be the guy hiding with Bulma and trying to escape and getting abused and ridiculed into remaining. And it wouldn't be funny for him either, but at least he'd be here.

And, I mean, not wanting to fight Golden Frieza isn't a particularly unreasonable request. But when Kame-sennin is standing right there fending off his mooks for some goddamn reason, it becomes a lot harder to justify. Is Jaco supposed to be really weak? Like, Mr. Satan weak?

edited 21st Apr '16 10:22:48 AM by TobiasDrake

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#37989: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:31:06 AM

Obviously, Yamcha is better at running and hiding. He deserves your respect for his skill in this regard.

Monsund Since: Jan, 2001
#37990: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:35:25 AM

Just to jump in quickly, its because Toriyama handles characters poorly, and plays favorites.

It wasn't even humor that Yamcha, and Chiaotzu were left behind, just Toriyama not caring.

Now if Toriyama was more like Eichero Oda, he'd include 18, and Yamcha, giving the latter scenes that were both badass, and comedic.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#37991: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:39:02 AM

No he wouldn't. 18 would be left on the ship to make sandwiches for everyone or something equally stupid.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37992: Apr 21st 2016 at 11:05:58 AM

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This is probably true.

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This, sadly enough, is also probably true. He definitely has characters he likes, but even they won't necessarily get a day to shine.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#37994: Apr 21st 2016 at 4:27:17 PM

Fine.

Go have consensual sex with Yamcha.

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#37995: Apr 21st 2016 at 4:39:13 PM

I have Black Widow perk and Yamcha presumably still has his baseball money, so if that's all that stands in the way-

Nope, nope, can't do it.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#37996: Apr 21st 2016 at 6:48:47 PM

Jaco waa able to handle Frieza's mooks just fine. He's at least that strong. What's really important, though, is that he has special eyes.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#37997: Apr 21st 2016 at 6:54:17 PM

Okay, no Jaco either...then we could also have 18.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37998: Apr 21st 2016 at 6:54:44 PM

Indeed. I wonder what he'd be capable of if he had the Ki training of the Z Warriors in addition to his own natural abilities.

Depending on how strong he could get, he'd be a beast.

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#37999: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:04:59 PM

Kame-sennin was also fending off Frieza's mooks. All that proves is that Jaco has a battle power of at least 139.

Frieza's mooks are, like, Red Ribbon Army level.

edited 21st Apr '16 10:05:42 PM by TobiasDrake

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38000: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:19:36 PM

Of course they are, all the strong ones were killed by Vegeta, some Nameks, and Trunks.

These were the mooks that weren't meant to fight.

edited 21st Apr '16 10:20:12 PM by randomness4

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