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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#37426: Apr 11th 2016 at 6:25:06 PM

Either way, he's still basically Antagonistic Cell Games Gohan.

"This tournament is stupid and I don't want to compete, so instead of having a pacifist breakdown, I'm just going to cheat until it's over."

edited 11th Apr '16 6:25:37 PM by TobiasDrake

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#37427: Apr 11th 2016 at 7:43:06 PM

On the other hand, if Gohan had thrown a tantrum in the Cell Games and gone "bitch I could beat you with my hands tied behind my back, this tournament's stupid, let's just go home and eat cake", that would've probably fixed the entire problem.

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#37428: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:11:07 PM

Gohan Curbstomping Cell right off the bat would have saved a lot of lives truthfully.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#37429: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:18:56 PM

Everyone that Cell killed were killed before Gohan could've stomped him into the ground. Besides, they were all revived anyway.

Cell learning Instant Transmission out of nowhere was an asspull, btw.

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#37430: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:20:07 PM

Goku and Trunks.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#37431: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:21:06 PM

No more of an asspull than other super talented characters doing the same thing with other techniques.

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#37432: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:22:25 PM

No, the asspull was his zenkai not only making him even stronger than he was in his Perfect form but also his body "remembering" his perfect form.

Super Perfect Cell is Super Perfect Bullshit.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#37433: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:25:16 PM

"My cells remembered my Perfect form, so yeah. I don't need 18 or 17 anymore."

If that's the case, why didn't his cells "remember" his Perfect form whenever he spit out 18?

Also, lol @ Cell gaining the Instant Transmission. What Cell, did your Cells absorb knowledge from the burnt pieces of Goku's corpse?

edited 11th Apr '16 8:25:39 PM by hardcorefakes

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#37434: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:25:39 PM

Again, Saiga has already explained the fact that Super Saiyan Gohan was still weaker than Perfect Cell like twice now; Cell never used his full power until Gohan was already a Super Saiyan 2, so he was still holding back that entire time.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#37435: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:29:51 PM

But when Gohan's power was cut in half, he was still strong enough to kill Super Perfect Cell.

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#37436: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:30:33 PM

[up] With a distraction and possible supernatural assistance.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#37437: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:33:26 PM

Super Perfect Cell being that much weaker than Gohan also doesn't mesh very will with how easily he was able disable his arm. Like, that was just a casual beam he meant to kill Vegeta.

edited 11th Apr '16 8:37:15 PM by LSBK

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#37438: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:35:37 PM

He casually threw a Ki Blast to wipe Vegeta out, and said blast was only strong enough to break Gohaun's arm. So take that as you will.

EDIT: [up]What he said.

edited 11th Apr '16 8:36:32 PM by hardcorefakes

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#37439: Apr 11th 2016 at 9:40:37 PM

Gohan's power wasn't literally halved IIRC.

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#37440: Apr 12th 2016 at 3:02:29 AM

[up]Actually, it was, that was what Gohan said.

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#37441: Apr 12th 2016 at 3:32:44 AM

We've been over this time and time again and it's ambiguous whether Gohan's claim was correct or not.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#37442: Apr 12th 2016 at 4:15:40 AM

I dunno. It depends on whether you trust Gohan saying that he's at half power or not. If you think the character himself knows how much power he has left, then it's pretty clear, if you don't, then it's ambiguous.

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#37443: Apr 12th 2016 at 4:17:13 AM

No, it also depends on if you trust Goku directly saying that comment is wrong.

Don't leave that out. It's ambiguous.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#37444: Apr 12th 2016 at 4:31:44 AM

I don't recall Goku saying Gohan was wrong. Goku said, to quote Shia Labeouf, JUST DO IT.

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#37445: Apr 12th 2016 at 5:07:18 AM

He does say Gohan is wrong, when Gohan is supposedly putting out his full power.

So Gohan was wrong about how much power he was using - as evidenced by the fact the he releases more power after that.

So it's whether you believe he was using 50% and believing it was his full power but that was wrong and he released more power after that, or whether he was correct about only having 50% left but then he used less than 50% and was wrong because he believed he was using all of his 50% because he knows how much power he has but he doesn't actually know how much power he has and then when he got the chance he used the full 50% of his power.

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#37447: Apr 12th 2016 at 6:28:21 AM

That's not necessarily the case...

Nevermind, yes it is...it was mentioned in a related post above.

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#37449: Apr 12th 2016 at 7:09:28 AM

If we're discussing how the it's ambiguous about what Gohan was wrong about, him being right about only having 50% power but somehow being wrong about using it all at the time seems much weirder than the alternative of him just having more than 50% at his disposal and not realizing it.

edited 12th Apr '16 7:09:59 AM by LSBK

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#37450: Apr 12th 2016 at 7:27:23 AM

Ultimately, I don't think it really matters.

If you believe Gohan was using 50% and was wrong about it being his full power, then he was holding back Cell's Super Kamehameha at 50% of his power. He was losing, but gradually. Cell wasn't strong enough to easily overpower him.

If you believe Gohan was wrong about using all of his remaining 50%, then he killed Super Perfect Cell by releasing his full 50%.

In either scenario, Cell either could barely handle Gohan at 50%, or he couldn't at all. While the question of which is accurate would determine which side of Gohan's 50% Cell is on, he's still somewhere around that level either way.

edited 12th Apr '16 7:28:45 AM by TobiasDrake

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