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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37226: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:20:47 PM

Indeed. The thing with him bringing out Cabba's latent power seems to be the norm, if his bafflement at not being able to use Goku's body is anything to go by.

It would make sense. In quite a few cases, he'd need to immediately get back to fighting in the new body, and once the initial shock of one of their own betraying them is overcome, he'd have to be ready to fight some powerful enemies so being able to use his new body to its utmost effectiveness right away is a must have talent.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#37227: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:20:47 PM

Actually, where was it ever said or shown that Goku used the Kaio-ken in short bursts? I always took that as fanon, seeing as how the closest to that was taking out the Ginyu Force, but seeing as how his base power level was 90,000 at his max, he'd already be stronger than every member without having to use the Kaio-ken, so it was probably just him concealing his power and letting it rise to full for brief instances before holding back again.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37228: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:23:51 PM

Actually, it was 180,000 at his max.

Though that was apparently with the Kaioken giving him a boost.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#37229: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:28:12 PM

Yes, 90,000 was his base max, 180,000 was when he was using the Kaio-ken. His "true" max would probably have been 900,000, if he had access to the Kaio-ken x10.

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Reservoir A former adventurer... from Eastern US Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
A former adventurer...
#37230: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:31:41 PM

King Kai mentions the Kaio-ken bursts in the anime when Goku was fighting Freeza, though I have no idea if it was mentioned in the manga. I'm also pretty sure the multiplier he was using was x20, though that could have been an anime invention as well. I mean, in Xenoverse, you could get the standard Kaio-ken, the x3 variant, and the x20 variant, so I'm sure it happened at least in the anime.

edited 9th Apr '16 12:33:49 PM by Reservoir

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#37231: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:39:31 PM

The x10 was in the manga as well. The x20 is in both and it was used during Goku's final Kamehameha before the Spirit Bomb.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#37232: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:44:14 PM

I wasn't talking about Goku vs Frieza though, I was talking about Goku before he had to be put in a healing tank and got a Zenkai that boosted him from 90,000 to 3,000,000. Also, the anime had it so that after King Kai mentions that Goku's been using the Kaio-ken the whole time, we cut to the same fight between Goku and Frieza in the dust cloud, only for us to then physically see him using the Kaio-ken x10 during it, just to see him get his ass kicked in the Kaio-ken state near the end.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#37233: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:49:06 PM

If I'm remembering right, 10X was as high as he could go safely. Which is amazing when you consider on earth that going past 2X was horribly strenuous for him.

Twenty times base was as high as he could go without killing himself, I think.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#37234: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:34:04 PM

Goku trained by straining his body to ridiculous degrees in the Spaceship using the gravity machine. So it's normal that his ability to use Kaioken jumped, because his body has been trained to endure that sort of strain. It's also entirely likely that he would have died instantly had he tried Kaioken X20 before he got the Zenkai from Vegeta's beating.

Incidentally: Ginyu can't draw out Goku's full power not because he can't draw out anyone's full power, it's just that Goku's body is significantly more complicated to use. if he'd, say, taken Vegeta's body, it's almost certain that he'd have had Vegeta's full power. Remember: Ginyu was shocked that he didn't have access to Goku's full power from the get go, which means that every other time he's changed, he's had access to it right from the start. Goku's body is just hard to use. Difficult, but Awesome, in a way.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#37235: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:45:11 PM

How would stealing Gohan's body work?All that potential. tongue

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#37236: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:49:58 PM

Before Gohan got the unlock, he'd be weak as poop, after the Elder Kai's boost, Ginyu would likely have 100% of Gohan's power at his command. Gohan's body is, undoubtedly, the easiest to use simply because all of his power is natural.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#37237: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:56:00 PM

Didn't it turn out that he still has even more potential?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#37238: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:04:25 PM

How is Dr. Brief's cat still alive?

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37240: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:09:00 PM

The same way Dr. briefs and his (for some reason) nameless wife still look exactly the same when their daughter is in her late 30's.

Bullshit.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#37241: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:10:12 PM

[up] Apparently, she was given a name in a post series interview, "Panchy." Har har.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#37242: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:12:26 PM

Dr. Briefs has outsmarted aging.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37243: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:15:45 PM

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Har har indeed.

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I can believe that.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#37244: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:25:55 PM

So, question. Does this character have an official name? He appears several times in filler (or possibly several different characters using the same model) and the DB Wiki calls him "Vodka," but he's not mentioned in any Japanese source I've seen, and given how unreliable the DB Wiki is...

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#37245: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:11:03 PM

It's a filler character so... who cares?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37246: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:17:33 PM

Clearly Hamburger Time does.

So there you go. That's who cares.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#37247: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:18:04 PM

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#37248: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:19:40 PM

Gohan had more potential after Namek likely because he was what, six at the time?

And the Elder Kai unlock wasn't potential, it was "sleeping power". Stuff he already had but couldn't draw out. Potential is stuff that can be but is not yet.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#37249: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:21:42 PM

That is until you remember that it was translated as "Potential Unleashed", not "Sleeping Power Unleashed".

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#37250: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:22:50 PM

Dub translations aren't worth shit.


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