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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#36601: Mar 27th 2016 at 3:52:10 PM

I am aware of that.

And I wouldn't exactly say it speaks too terribly poorly either, but. Yeah, it's a potentially problematic trend.

edited 27th Mar '16 3:53:28 PM by unnoun

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#36602: Mar 27th 2016 at 5:21:58 PM

To be fair, Nam's village was perfectly fine until their river got damned by Giran's people.

Wait a minute, I think that was anime filler....

edited 27th Mar '16 5:23:04 PM by Zelenal

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#36603: Mar 27th 2016 at 5:28:59 PM

Yeah, the manga never reveals what if anything caused the drought. That episode was fun though.

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#36604: Mar 27th 2016 at 5:33:49 PM

You can't really say that Nam is a caricature if Uub isn't, considering they're basically the same person. Also, for the record, despite his stereotypical design, Staff Officer/Commander in Chief Black is actually my favorite villain in all of Dragon Ball, including Z.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36605: Mar 27th 2016 at 5:51:09 PM

Being sane helps.

His only mistake is not giving up the fight against Goku when he had the chance.

If he'd lived, he'd have probably made the Red Ribbon Army even greater.

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#36606: Mar 27th 2016 at 5:54:51 PM

A no-nonsense, serious, Affably Evil, sane villain with well-established and understandable motivations, combined with some badass one-liners, is something Dragon Ball hasn't really had since Black.

edited 27th Mar '16 6:29:56 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#36607: Mar 27th 2016 at 5:56:36 PM

Yeah, aside from the lips and being named "Black," he isn't really a stereotype.

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#36608: Mar 27th 2016 at 6:00:53 PM

Well, I'm pretty sure Red, Black, Blue, Purple, ect. are actually codenames so Black is only called Black because Red is probably racist.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36609: Mar 27th 2016 at 6:09:14 PM

Well, because Toriyama is innocently racist.

As a black man myself, those damned lips are frustrating to look at (because Japan does that, though it's not something that happens much anymore thank god), but barring that and his name, everything else about Black was pretty cool.

He really should have given up that fight though.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#36610: Mar 27th 2016 at 6:30:01 PM

You do have to remember that the Japanese rarely, if ever, see black men. It's not exactly a common skin tone in Japan. Given how old Toriyama is, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of the black men he's seen were blackface caricatures.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36611: Mar 27th 2016 at 6:39:19 PM

Exaggerating the lip feature of a G black man.

It's not appealing to look at.

It also stopped being accurate at some point.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#36612: Mar 27th 2016 at 7:29:56 PM

It was never accurate, tho.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36613: Mar 27th 2016 at 8:14:31 PM

No. No it wasn't.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36614: Mar 27th 2016 at 8:29:20 PM

Having big pink lips and being almost entirely black skinned...?

These caricatures and stereotypes come from somewhere, all of it has been true at one point or another...while some of it is still true, but not as common as people make it sound.

edited 27th Mar '16 8:30:28 PM by randomness4

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#36616: Mar 27th 2016 at 8:42:14 PM

Where does the exaggeration come from?

Making things up...

edited 27th Mar '16 8:43:13 PM by randomness4

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#36618: Mar 27th 2016 at 9:24:43 PM

"Heavy sigh". The exaggeration came from angry white people making themselves feel better by mocking the newly freed slaves. It continued because Pop Culture Osmosis.

There should be a Dragon Ball fighter based on the two winged household of muscle. Hell, I'd settle for Luther Lindsay or 2 Cold Scorpio.

edited 27th Mar '16 9:25:38 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36619: Mar 27th 2016 at 9:32:22 PM

I know what they come from.

You can only exaggerate things that already exist.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36620: Mar 27th 2016 at 9:49:05 PM

[up]

You need to be careful where you go with this conversation.

And you need to really ask yourself if you want to keep going with this.

That's all I will say on the matter.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36621: Mar 27th 2016 at 9:55:47 PM

I think that'll be all.

I wasn't really going anywhere in particular and avoid talking about specifics.

edited 27th Mar '16 9:58:11 PM by randomness4

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#36622: Mar 27th 2016 at 10:01:11 PM

Okay, bright pink lips generally exist. As do wide ones. Big round bright pink lips+dark skin tone+thin pointy nose+thin nostrils? Highly unlikely out of done up face makeup.

To be fair to Dragon Ball, neither officer black nor Mr. Popo is a complete black face. If that's something to celebrate. Black's design is pretty standard otherwise and the Gag Lips are not exclusive to him or dark skinned characters, while Popo is nonstandard all around, having pointy ears and lacking a nose.

The black face elements in Dragon Ball most likely fall into the 'osmosis' camp. Not saying that excuses them, but I am trying to be fair.

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#36623: Mar 27th 2016 at 10:09:16 PM

I'm still convinced that Popo's meant to be a Djinn and that any similarity to blackface is purely coincidental.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36624: Mar 27th 2016 at 10:12:36 PM

An immortal being, yet he doesn't grant wishes...

Wait, is Popo immortal?

It's always correct to assume.

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#36625: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:06:38 AM

[up][up]There's no discussion on this - Mr. Popo clearly is meant to be a Djinn.

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