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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#36451: Mar 25th 2016 at 7:21:29 PM

I think it is more or less confirm they have different souls, but they share the same body, technically. Which is why when one dies the other dies. Or, maybe it is more correct to say that they share the same life-force.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#36452: Mar 25th 2016 at 8:57:31 PM

They very clearly had separate bodies so...

I'm also not sure why you think saying they share same "life-force" is different from saying they share a soul.

edited 25th Mar '16 9:06:42 PM by LSBK

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#36453: Mar 25th 2016 at 9:08:50 PM

I'm sure the last two pages have had more thought put into the process than either Toei or Toriyama.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36454: Mar 25th 2016 at 9:11:14 PM

That could describe a lot of controversies that come up in this thread.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#36455: Mar 25th 2016 at 9:11:28 PM

I feel like that's the norm for most of these threads.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36456: Mar 25th 2016 at 9:20:41 PM

Though sometimes there can be obvious patches of over thinking...

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36458: Mar 25th 2016 at 9:24:06 PM

-respectful nod-

I'm watching the back half of the Frieza arc in Super that I skipped and... and... and Vegeta just backhanded Frieza's Death Beam through Sorbet.

[awesome] Not since Guldo have I seen a character die that pathetically in this show. Vegeta gets the best kills.

edited 25th Mar '16 9:27:51 PM by Soble

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#36459: Mar 25th 2016 at 11:48:35 PM

[up]Quick question about Guldo, if speed = distance/time, and since Guldo moves a finite distance over zero time, does that make his speed infinite or undefined? 0_o

edited 25th Mar '16 11:48:42 PM by hardcorefakes

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#36460: Mar 25th 2016 at 11:56:11 PM

Suppose it'd be undefined.

He has to breathe again at some point.

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#36461: Mar 25th 2016 at 11:58:09 PM

True. Thinking more about it, Guldo can effectively teleport....

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#36462: Mar 26th 2016 at 12:06:21 AM

Fun fact: in the manga, Guldo's time stopping has nothing to do with him holding his breath, though it is a massive energy drain.

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#36463: Mar 26th 2016 at 12:22:03 AM

Imagine if Guldo were actually powerful. Give that ability to Frieza and there's no way Goku wins against him.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#36464: Mar 26th 2016 at 12:35:35 AM

Frieza with timestop is essentially Alien DIO.

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#36465: Mar 26th 2016 at 2:47:13 AM

True, but their bodies were still lying around after the battle with the Saiyans were done. Giving the time period, there was more than enough time for Kami to collect the bodies after the battle. It seems like the fight was over for what looked like more than an hour.

Yes but that's not a good reason to assume he'd have already done so. He did so with Goku's body because it was his idea for Goku to train with Kaio to combat the Saiyans. With the humans he met them in Heaven, then restored Chaozu's body specifically so he could train with Kaio.

So he wouldn't give them bodies until he knew they were going to go train with Kaio.

And that still wouldn't explain why Piccolo was revived on King Kai's planet, but everyone else was teleported straight to Earth. It couldn't have been a Shenron thing since it was the Namekian dragon that revived Piccolo and the others.

But like you said, there wasn't an explanation for these under either interpretation. It's just an anime inconsistency.

Also, going by what happened after Goku died with Cell, Kami isn't needed to restore a body. It seems to happen automically if you're a good person, or Goku was just an exception since he was already judged to keep his body. But then how did King Kai and Bubbles get bodies?

Well, it's definitely not automatic in the cases of Goku (originally) or Chaozu. Since we don't see the process anything more than that is an assumption, but I think it's safer to assume Kaio did it then try to apply more rules that won't consistently fit everyone who got a body.

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#36466: Mar 26th 2016 at 3:01:55 AM

Kami meeting the Humans and Piccolo in the afterlife doesn't necessarily mean meeting them in their bodies.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36467: Mar 26th 2016 at 3:24:04 AM

He meets their souls...which looks like their bodies anyway, otherwise how would he recognize them from anyone else?

The physical bodies being teleported to Other World does explain why training growth carries over...that was something that confused me at first.

edited 26th Mar '16 3:26:58 AM by randomness4

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#36468: Mar 26th 2016 at 3:43:24 AM

Actually pure souls looks like fluffy clouds. All I'm saying is that we never see Kami take the bodies of the falling Earth fighters despite some time passing between Vegeta's defeat and the bodies being collected. And even if those are their bodies, Piccolo should have been sent straight back to Earth when was revived like the other fighters. This happened to Piccolo in the manga, so the manga is the one not constant since the anime followed the manga in this example.

When I said same life force, I mean they basically share the same life, but they obviously have two different souls, otherwise they would have merge in the afterlife.

edited 26th Mar '16 3:47:22 AM by Ramona122003

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#36469: Mar 26th 2016 at 6:22:16 AM

Okay, my new fan theory. Feezer was, intentionally or not, drawing out the reincarnation process much longer than it should have been due to his stubbornness, increasing his suffering in hell as a side effect. Dabura wouldn't suffer at all in hell and thus would reincarnate much more quickly.

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#36470: Mar 26th 2016 at 7:00:11 AM

My theory is that reincarnation involves separating the soul from the morality and a higher percentage of good/evil ratio makes the process take longer. Kid Buu was so quick because his soul was 0% good, 100% evil so it was automatic. Freeza took longer because he was something like 15% good, 85% evil.

The process also isn't a constant one and needs to be done manually with a willing soul. Souls are made willing by either breaking them in Hell, or being given reincarnation as an available option anytime in Heaven.

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#36471: Mar 26th 2016 at 7:12:21 AM

Or maybe it's just that Freeza is so much of a dick that his punishment before his reincarnation takes longer.

Majin Buu isn't evil so much as it is an animal with no understanding of right or wrong that knows only the desire to destroy everything around it. It can't be evil because it's not sentient, it's not sapient, it doesn't think, it acts purely on instinct.

It is an animal, and as such, no more evil than a lion that eats people.

edited 26th Mar '16 7:13:04 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#36472: Mar 26th 2016 at 7:21:28 AM

Fat Buu and Kid Buu, sure. Super Buu was obviously sapient and aware of himself and what he did, he just was a murderous dick anyway.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#36473: Mar 26th 2016 at 7:32:18 AM

A new challenge mission for DBH, fight the strongest warriors from that popularity poll a couple months ago! In specific regions of Japan, you have to go up against fierce foes like SSJB Goku (who's call GT Goku in the vid for some reason), SSJB Vegeta, SSJ4 Gogeta, SSJ4 GT Gohan, Broly (LSSJ and SSJ4), Super 17 (18 Absorbed), Broken Mask Time Breaker Bardock, SSJ3 Time Patrol Bardock, Darkness Towa, Tarble and... Yamcha.

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#36475: Mar 26th 2016 at 7:46:32 AM

Small Buu was definitely sentient. Sapient, not so much.

I like the fact Tarble is a boss because of a poll. It's like Paper Mario, where you can tell turtle wizard Mario is deathly afraid of healing items.

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