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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35826: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:32:29 PM

Piccolo is cool and all but all the complaints of him getting shafted here ring as hollow to me as the ones about Vegeta getting shafted in Ro F. If anyone got shafted here it was Buu.

edited 13th Mar '16 3:32:46 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35827: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:34:37 PM

Piccolo being able to fight Frost this well at all is frankly the most unbelievable thing about this tournament.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35828: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:39:21 PM

I'm baffled that Piccolo is implied to not be in Frost's league.

I mean, he should be stronger than Pre-Namek Frieza, but Frost is still so much stronger than he is, even though he didn't show anything that hinted he was more powerful than Frieza from that time.

The best I can think it that he must train a bit more, so he's in better shape.

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#35829: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:48:06 PM

Far as I can tell, Frost is more powerful than Resurrection 'F' Freeza, sans Golden.

4th Form Freeza < Base Goku < Assault Form Frost

Piccolo is ludicrously more powerful than he has ever been. He's around Buutenks' level.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#35830: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:50:13 PM

[up] Other way around. Base Goku never surpassed final form Frieza.

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#35831: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:51:54 PM

Resurrection 'F' base Goku and 4th Form Freeza. In the movie, Goku had a commanding lead while in Super they were about even.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#35832: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:54:53 PM

He was evenly matched with final form Freeza, and that's before he grew a beard while training.

Piccolo was on the same league as GOHAN just before the tournament. And that's kinda scary, guy should try and train with Whis.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#35833: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:55:14 PM

Do you know what would be a good bit of character development for Vegeta?

Choosing to not kill Frost. Displaying mercy, even if it is Goku's brand of Cruel Mercy, would show how far Vegeta has come since the days where he would kill his own allies if they were crippled in battle (with injuries that a healing pod may or may not be able to heal, we don't know for sure).

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#35834: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:00:04 PM

People sometimes say that "Power levels are bullshit!" but back in Z they were actually rather consistent. Super however... Yeah, Makankōsappō or no, Piccolo beating Frost is pretty much equivalent of Sayian saga Piccolo beating Freeza. The power levels in Super are really wonky.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#35835: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:01:33 PM

[up][up][up]I don't know about that. Piccolo was no match for Tagoma, whereas Gohan easily dominated Ginyu!Tagoma (who was said to be stronger) after he went Super Saiyan.

I mean, they were training together, but that doesn't mean they were even close in power. Like, say, Goku training with Piccolo and Gohan before the Androids.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:01:46 PM by LOLypop1224

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#35836: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:02:01 PM

[up][up], [down]This is what happens when Serial Escalation reaches a certain point; logically speaking, Goku & Vegeta should be the only ones who matter on Beerus` team, but that wouldn't be much of a plot.

At the very least, they acknowledged that Piccolo was definitely no match for Frost.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:03:22 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35837: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:02:20 PM

[up][up][up]This. The scaling seems all over the place in Super.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:02:28 PM by VeryMelon

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#35838: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:03:00 PM

I'm pretty okay with a Buu-level Piccolo.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35839: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:04:11 PM

It's a shame to hear Super is still a dud

You should really give it a chance, assuming your anime-watching time isn't a commodity. These episodes are 23 minutes long, and regardless if 5-6 tropers are hate-watching it, we're still watching it. I skim the episodes every two to three weeks just to see any new developments. I only gave it a break during ROF since I didn't feel like watching that particular rehash.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35840: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:04:12 PM

You and every other Piccolo fan.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#35841: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:06:33 PM

It is like three arcs after the Buu Saga, it isn't unreasonable to assume that the most important peripheral character might have caught up to Buu by now.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#35842: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:07:21 PM

I wouldn't even mind if they bullshited some way for Piccolo to get stronger, Dragon Ball is known for it's power ups. But they could at least pretend there's some in universe logic to how fights play out, instead of the outcome just being dependent on whims of the plot. This just reeks of complete lack of effort.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#35843: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:17:24 PM

You know, I don't think Piccolo was supposed to have gotten any stronger. When he asks Goku if he stands a chance, Goku admits he doesn't. I think the point of the battle was that Frost was stronger, but Piccolo used tactics to win.

Now, that wasn't communicated very well, but still.

edited 13th Mar '16 4:18:34 PM by LOLypop1224

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#35844: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:20:35 PM

Except it was shown when he talked with Gohan, AFAIK.

Also, Piccolo trained from being on par with second form Freeza, to being able to curbstomp energy absorbing androids just like a Super Saiyan. The key with Piccolo is that he always gets to the power required to stand against the previous significant enemy.

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#35845: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:28:13 PM

And yet in Boo saga he was completely insignificant to Dabura who was around Cell level. Nor did he catch up to Boo by the time Beerus shows up. There's no cosmic law pumping Piccolo up to a relevant power level.

I know they wanted to show Piccolo as this cerebral fighter that battles with tactics, but it just doesn't mesh up with way too many things to not be annoying.

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#35846: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:49:02 PM

For the record, despite my complaint with the episode, I'm actually enjoying this new arc. Way more than the ROF plot, in fact. It's like Toriyama went back to the early tournament arcs, where strategies and specific/quirky powers were far more prevalent than power levels. I just wish the quality of the episodes was as consistent as the Manga's.

Also, I thought the episode made it pretty clear Piccolo was outclassed in power and was just trying to come up with a strategy to overcome that (he even bragged about it). It also made it clear that his Makankosappo is way stronger than himself, and that Frost was exhausted to begin with.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35847: Mar 13th 2016 at 4:55:25 PM

[up]And by "Power Levels" you mean the guy who is actually stronger usually wining? Because that was always there.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#35848: Mar 13th 2016 at 5:38:35 PM

I wouldn't even mind if they bullshited some way for Piccolo to get stronger

I've been saying, Universe 6 Namekian Fusion. tongue

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35849: Mar 13th 2016 at 6:27:50 PM

It did seem like Piccolo would have won had it not been for Frost's poison.

[up] x16

Killing is against tournament rules, so Vegeta wouldn't kill Frost to avoid disqualification.

edited 13th Mar '16 6:29:57 PM by Cortez

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#35850: Mar 13th 2016 at 6:44:25 PM

Frost is already disqualified. Technically, their fight really should have nothing to do with the tournament, and thus, they shouldn't disqualify Vegeta for killing Frost, simply because Vegeta is not fighting a sanctioned tournament match.

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