You're right, at the time he used it there was a good chance Vegeta wasn't at full strength.
Still, I think the point that Goku had reached, through Kaioken, what would have been Vegeta's full strength under a full moon to be illustrative. Saiyans were Freeza's strongest soldiers and they were starting to become so even without their werewolf monkey forms. You could understand why he came fear them.
Buldogue's lawyerSaiyans don't grow that fast - Goku and Vegeta are both special cases. Vegeta is basically the most talented Saiyan ever born and Goku has basically gotten instruction from the very best trainers he possibly could at every turn, on top of being naturally gifted.
Thing is, given that they're the only two remaining, I guess that does mean Saiyans are now the most overpowered race in the universe, if only because the only two members of that race are Gods now.
Something I've noticed a lot in fanfiction...
Why do people seem to think that Freeza tortured Vegeta physically?
I mean, that seems pretty counterintuitive to what Freeza wants to do. It's true that he wants to fuck with Vegeta, but having him tortured until he's one foot in the grave would only make Vegeta way too strong way too fast. Hell, him being beaten nearly to death once put him above Dodoria, the second time made him strong enough to kill Guldo and Zarbon, the third time put him well above the Ginyu force and the fourth made him strong enough that I'm fairly sure he could've killed first form Freeza with relative ease, possibly second form as well.
Do this a dozen times and voila, you have now made Vegeta strong enough to wtfstomp Freeza.
edited 12th Mar '16 6:48:54 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari...
Are we having a damned Power Levels discussion?
The most pointless of discussions on DBZ?
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edited 12th Mar '16 7:34:42 AM by Zelenal
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It's a discussion we've had numerous times (and sometimes, I've been to blame for them) that never goes anywhere.
I mean, we can't just talk about the same things especially once it starts going in circles. I mean, are we not all a little sick of it. There has to be better things to talk about.
Not that it will stop me from bringing it up again by accident. Hell, I'm still trying to figure out if Frost is stronger than Frieza (due to being stronger than Piccolo who should be more powerful than namek saga Frieza).
One Strip! One Strip!Trying to get people to stop discussing powerlevels is like trying to get people to have a thread about Dragon Ball without ever mentioning Saiyans. Ever.
It's just not going to happen. And frankly, far more annoying than a repeated topic is the fact that every single time that it comes up, someone always goes "Oh you're discussing powerlevels again", almost always without suggesting another topic of conversation. People who complain about repetitive discussions frequently don't realize just how repetitive they themselves are, and how annoying they themselves are because they bring it up every damned time.
Also not helping is the fact that while powerlevels frequently come up, the context surrounding the powerlevels discussion tends to be different. It's not just "we're discussing powerlevels again and that's all we're doing", though it sometimes does admittedly happen, usually when someone quotes the "powerlevels are bullshit" joke from DBZA (which, by the way, isn't about numerical powerlevels, it never was about numerical powerlevels), and then it starts a conversation about whether powerlevels were a mistake or not.
But that's not always the conversation. More than that, the conversation is usually "which character is stronger".
And people complain about it, always with the same thing, "Oh, you're discussing powerlevels again", and frankly, if you don't want to discuss powerlevels, nobody's forcing you to. Just skip the conversation. It's not like you're compulsively forced to read every single word on every single post.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariHere's an idea: Let's play Hot or Not with Dragon Ball characters. I'll go first.
Yakon: Hot or Smokin'?
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Okay, fine Handsomerob.
So it's not that I'm adverse to a seeing a good Freeza type mutant. I was even welcome to the idea of Frost being good, but only because I liked the idea of Frost and Goku teaming up.
The thing I didn't like about "good" Frost was the way he was presented. He has Freeza's body type, and Freeza's armor, uses the same transformations as Freeza for the same reasons as Freeza and is the emperor of the universe on top of running a corporation, just like Freeza. But he uses face type 3 instead of 2 and he's blue, so he's totally good, unlike Freeza.
I didn't find this "twist" to be clever at all and found the revelation that he's not that good to be much more satisfying. When we get the "good" Freeza type mutant I want it to be an individual of similar mutation who is more obviously not like Freeza from the start. Remember when we went to planet Namek and found all the residents wearing weighted turban helmets, capes and shoulder pads, meditating on mountain tops in the wilderness and fighting doppelgangers of themselves? How they were all standing on floating continents supported by wooden staffs with borderline blackfaces following them around? No? Because Namek wasn't populated by Kami and Piccolo with slightly different faces and color schemes but totally in the middle of their respective moralities. That's the impression the "good" Freeza mutant should leave, the impression that he's been living his life completely unlike Freeza, that he isn't mistakable for Freeza. When you reflect on his actions, "what would Freeza do?" shouldn't be an immediate question. Maybe something carries over, Nail could regrow his arm too and we only went to Namek anyway because Guru could make dragon balls. So good Freeza mutant can transform and display similar ability to survive, but that's it.
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I suppose you're right. The complaining can be as repetitive as the actual discussion. I'll deal with it I suppose.
I admit, I do think it's interesting that Frost is stronger then Namek Frieza. I guess he trained a bit more.
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Yakon is so hot, he's exploding.
I can dig that.
edited 12th Mar '16 8:11:03 AM by HandsomeRob
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Not. Final Form I might do if he's still voiced by Linda Young and there was a gun pointed to my head, second form, jesus no, I'd eat the bullet.
Hot or not: Great Saiyaman? I've seen some fanart where Videl apparently thinks so very much, I'm amused that never came up in the series. Well, she did become the Great Saiyawoman #2 in the films so maybe it was some kind of turn-on for her she thought it looked cool.
edited 12th Mar '16 1:50:53 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!To be honest, it's really all just his design. Since we know nothing else about his character (well, we know he fought Beerus and he may or may not be stronger than Goku?) I have nothing else to go on but his design. And his look has already soured me towards the character. Maybe if he had some personality for me to observe? But I guess they're saving that for later, but as of right now, I can't stand him.
Huh. I was so flaccid from listening to 'Dragon Soul' everytime, I never actually watched the Frieza Saga all the way through. This is the first time I've watched the Kai version of this scene.
I actually really like this. The music isn't my cup of tea, but Goku's "I will make you suffer" was actually pretty menacing.
edited 12th Mar '16 3:05:09 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!So, while talking about stupid things regarding DBZ voice acting, I stumbled upon a video in which the Latin voice actors for Goku, Krillin and Freezer, doing their respective character's voices, basically act out a scene in which Freeza shows up to rape Krillin, who goes full on DBZA, and then Goku shows up, and you can just imagine where that's going. Then someone put the voices to scenes from RF.
It's inexplicably hilarious.
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Vegeta probably wasn't at 180000 as a giant werewolf monkey. Mostly because by that point, he'd already used his most powerful attack, which took a lot of his energy, and eaten a ridiculously powerful (for the time) Kamehameha.
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