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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#35251: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:55:37 AM

Also cause he's a lazy sadistic dick.Killing someone to get your quality wine gets old after a while.Might as well have him give it to you.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35252: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:58:39 AM

Piccolo was playing fair. Did he target Goku's friends, no fought Goku evenly on his terms. He didn't have to enter the tournament. If he was smart, he would have attacked Goku after the tournament when he's tired and hungry. Instead, it was a straight match. He didn't nuke the stadium until the end. Why didn't he do that first and not even bother with the tournament. His father sure in heck wouldn't.

All these things show that while evil, Piccolo did have some decency and fought Goku more or less fairly. It's just that if Goku lost, he dies. Tien tried to do the same when they first fought.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#35253: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:59:39 AM

Besides, killing someone means you only get the fun once. Keeping that guy alive and watching his face when you force him to give you his best wine, however, is the gift of fun that keeps on giving.

This goes back to the argument about whether Freeza or Cell is more evil, and I think this is what makes Freeza infinitely more evil than Cell - Freeza is actually motivated by sadism, while Cell was designed for the purpose of destroying things so that's what he does.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35254: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:01:27 PM

[up][up]You and I have very different definitions of decency then, because what you are describing is not decency to me, he very clearly didn't care if anyone else died. Saving it towards the end doesn't somehow make him more honorable it means he's gauging himself and only doing things when he feels it's necessary to not waste power. Again, Pragmatic Villainy doesn't make them less of a villain.

And as for why he'd challenge him in a tournament, what better way to get revenge than to crush him at the thing Goku loves most? That he very clearly didn't care about the rules or people in their fight makes it clear that the fairness meant nothing to him. The whole thing was a means to an end.

edited 6th Mar '16 12:08:02 PM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35255: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:09:40 PM

The fact that a villain isn't pointlessly cruel doesn't mean he's less evil - just means he's not wasting time and effort on pointless cruelty.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#35256: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:16:43 PM

So on a positive note, Beerus struggling not to act like a sore loser was one of the funniest moments so far.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35258: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:25:03 PM

If he was anything like his father he wouldn't care about winning fairly or even humiliating Goku. The second King Piccolo though he was in danger, he took Tien hostage. He also had his children kill martial artists wholesale on the off-chance of one of the knowing the Evil Containment Wave. Yet Piccolo chose to fight Goku on his terms and didn't cheat when he believed he was in danger. If he was truly pragmatic as you claim, he would have killed Goku after the tournament when he was weak or fire at his friends to distract him. There was no pragmatic reason for Piccolo to go through the tournament and fight Goku at his best. It's the opposite.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35259: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:30:46 PM

The argument was that he targeted Goku at the tournament out of sadism, not pragmatism. He was also there to announce his 'return.'

Still, I don't think you can consider Piccolo Jr. nearly as evil as the likes of Vegeta, nor did he even succeed at his crimes. It may be just as bad from a personal moral perspective to fail at killing someone than to do it successfully, but it's a lot harder to atone or receive forgiveness when you actually did murder someone. You can't actually fix that.

Unless you use shiny magical orbs to undo everything but shhh pointing out that the dragon balls should be able to solve just about everything in the story from physical danger to moral absolution would tear the narrative apart.

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#35260: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:43:24 PM

I just want to remind everyone Goku deserved to get cheated in his fight with Frost as punishment for killing the comparatively innocent carnivore that was Yakon while showing sympathy towards the planetary exterminator who sold his soul for power, Vegeta. That'll learn him!

That's really what that supernova in the backstory of Dragon Ball Online was me thinks. Goku realized he was dying of old age and had to make sure the world he would soon be unable to defend was free of Vegeta once and for all.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35261: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:59:59 PM

Goku kept Vegeta around so he'd have one last bad guy to kill so he was a shoe in for heaven.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35262: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:32:11 PM

Why bother, he can just murder every god that tells him he's not allowed.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35263: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:14:20 PM

I've been thinking with the reveal...we all assumed Hit was going to be the Token Evil Teammate, and Frost's the Big Good. So what if Frost's evil is part of the twist that reveals Hit is actually the Big Good and Dark Is Not Evil?

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#35264: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:43:46 PM

What's that from?

Today's episode. It was just after Goku recovered from losing to Frost. Beerus was trying to keep his composure from flipping his shit in front of Champa so he was pretending to be a good sport about Goku losing.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35265: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:50:56 PM

@Arha

Goku's not very smart, he might not have thought of just beating up every authority that would prevent him from going to Warrior Heaven.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35266: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:06:21 PM

Wait, is that not how you get to warrior heaven in the first place?

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#35267: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:09:28 PM

Speaking of authorities,heh,King Kai wasn't invited to the tournament.

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#35268: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:15:07 PM

None of the other Kaio from either universe were either.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35269: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:16:25 PM

@Arha

Not necessarily, no, you don't get there by beating up the authorities preventing you from getting in, you get in by beating up everybody else.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#35270: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:17:53 PM

[up][up]Well,I figured that he's a good enough friend to be invited.Then again,no revivals.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#35271: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:30:16 PM

But if you can just beat up everyone they can't really stop you from going in.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35272: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:36:55 PM

There's a problem when you reply without reading the rest of the conversation, yanno...

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35273: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:45:01 PM

Why bother with the 'everyone else' distinction? A true warrior wouldn't.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35274: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:52:26 PM

Well there's also the whole everyone loses their bodies thing.

Only the dudes who are chosen by the Kais can keep their bodies, and only dudes who aren't evil get to do that.

So no beating up the entire Celestial Bureaucracy and getting into Warrior Heaven, cause if you are the kind of person who would do that, then they'd likely de-body you as quickly as possible.

edited 6th Mar '16 3:53:09 PM by HandsomeRob

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#35275: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:55:00 PM

Goku can just teleport in and out anyway. tongue


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