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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35076: Mar 5th 2016 at 4:51:04 PM

How so? I am not even a Vegeta fan and he's of favorite in the series. It's nice see all that character development he went through in Z finally paying off and he's not responsible for the major villains getting powers or awakening an ancient evil.

edited 5th Mar '16 4:56:26 PM by Ramona122003

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35077: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:17:25 PM

Super!Vegeta's the same butt-monkey that he was before, I'm not seeing the problem.

Is Super really doing anything to Vegeta's character that ROF and BOG didn't already do?

edited 5th Mar '16 5:17:55 PM by Soble

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35078: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:34:45 PM

I have noticed that pattern too. Most of the complaints about Super (animation aside, although it's about where DBZ was on the most part), like Gohan losing power and being Worf , Vegeta being the Butt-Monkey to Beerus, Beerus being an Invincible Villain and a Karma Houdini, everyone playing second fiddle to Goku and Vegeta, are stuff that are in Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F'. In fact, Super fixes some of the issues with Gohan by having him realizing the important of his training again, Piccolo getting to fight something that isn't a Mook, and expanding the cast outside the same people.

And let's be honest, Vegeta was a Butt-Monkey in Z and The Load to boot. All the major sagas were his fault to one extent or another. He was the main villain of Saiyan Saga, which killed most of the main characters, forcing the survivors to go to Namek and face Frieza. Allowing Cell to become complete, charging Cell blindly after he killed Trunks, which almost got him killed and badly injured Gohan's arm. Waking up Majin Buu when they were close to putting Babidi away because he just couldn't wait for his rematch against Goku and he hated that Goku was still stronger than him.

I take the movies and Super version of Vegeta over the prideful douchebag we had through most of Z.

edited 5th Mar '16 5:37:22 PM by Ramona122003

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35079: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:42:39 PM

Yeah, you can actually see the fruit of his character development in Super.

I love Vegeta in Super.

[up][up] One might even say he's more so now..

edited 5th Mar '16 5:43:50 PM by Cortez

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#35080: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:46:02 PM

I like Butt-Monkey Vegeta. What I don't like is overcompetent, flawless, generic badass, the-plot-seems-to-be-bending-over-backwards-to-give-him-opponents-to-kill Vegeta.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35081: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:47:47 PM

With Goku out Vegeta is almost guaranteed to win the tournament for them.

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#35082: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:52:53 PM

Unless U6 or Monaka wins.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35083: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:53:06 PM

No he's not. Vegeta will lose and Monaka will win it for team U7. Seriously LSBK, you think the tournament will end without seeing Monaka in action?

[up][up][up]Good thing we have the former and not the latter then.

edited 5th Mar '16 5:56:15 PM by Cortez

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35084: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:58:01 PM

How is Vegeta flawless and over-competent? He mess up killing Frieza just like he did in the movie, refuses to learn from his mistake by teaming up with Goku, and he was completely embarrassed and demean by Beerus throughout the entire Battle of God Saga and had to beg Whis to train him when Goku only had to ask. Are we even watching the same show?

Also, I wouldn't say Vegeta will carry the day since we still have Monaka, Beerus' self-proclaimed ace. We also know nothing of the other fighters, except Cabba apparently can't go Super Saiyan.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35085: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:58:15 PM

[up][up]Is he supposed to go last? Because if so maybe. Just because he's not in the tournament doesn't mean we won't get to see what he can do. Goku and Vegeta will definitely want to fight him.

The point begin, they seem to be wanting to mix things up.

edited 5th Mar '16 5:58:37 PM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#35086: Mar 5th 2016 at 5:58:27 PM

"Wiser to admit that he lost"

Are you even aware of the fact that Beerus was going to destroy Earth? Because he was going to do exactly that, and Goku did not know that Beerus would loophole his way out of his promise to destroy Earth. And unlike with Cell, there wasn't a surefire backup plan.

And no, there really wasn't anywhere near the same stakes against Cell, because Gohan was significantly stronger than Cell and Goku knew that. His confidence in Gohan's victory is in part based on a wrong assumption, but that doesn't change the fact that Goku felt that Earth was in no danger from Cell because Gohan could handle it.

Saying that Goku would give up when doing so means certain death just because he admitted defeat against Cell when he knew Gohan could kill him, possibly with one hand tied behind his back and using the other to solve three different puzzles, is not very smart.

edited 5th Mar '16 6:00:03 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#35087: Mar 5th 2016 at 6:03:36 PM

I'm almost certain the Monaka or U6 (Hit) will win the tournament.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35088: Mar 5th 2016 at 6:05:44 PM

[up][up][up] Yes, he's going last. So Vegeta will more than likely lose against the final member of U6's team and Monaka will take it from there.

edited 5th Mar '16 6:06:13 PM by Cortez

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35089: Mar 5th 2016 at 6:07:37 PM

The Earth was going to be destroyed by Cell if Gohan didn't awake his hidden power. If Goku really was the 'never give up' type you are painting him to be, he would had fight and died fighting Cell and let Gohan handle the rest. Trying to ignore that and say, 'well, he knew Gohan will win', does not excuse the fact that the gave up the minute he realizes that he couldn't win.

Goku fighting and to the death against Beerus would have done nothing. He had nothing left and could barely conscious. At that point, it was more graceful to give up than to keep fighting out of pride sake, like Frieza who kept fighting until he stupidly cut himself into pieces and got blow away by Goku. Goku knew he lost and accepted that, even though the Earth would be destroy. He lost, there was nothing he could do to change that, just like he accepted he lost against Vegeta, despite knowing the Earth would be destroyed by him.

Guts and willpower meant jack if you don't have the strength to back it up. It's not about being smart, it's about knowing when you lost.

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#35090: Mar 5th 2016 at 6:55:40 PM

[up][up][up]I don't know why, but the idea of Monaka winning the tournament ticks me off. And I just can't put it into words why. It's something about the way he looks or how he's presented...it irritates me.

edited 5th Mar '16 6:56:52 PM by hardcorefakes

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#35091: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:15:59 PM

Is it because he's a new character and not any of the established ones?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35092: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:20:37 PM

Having a new character save the day would be very different and got my vote, especially if he's half as hype as Beerus makes him out to be. Him having an oddball character design is a bonus for me.

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#35093: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:21:50 PM

At this point, I'm so tired of everything. The previews make it look like the tournament setting is breaking apart a bit next episode, and I'll be happy if that happens.

The only fight I was actually looking forward to is Vegeta vs Cabba, because I thought there was potential for character development there, but I don't even know if that would happen. We'd have to have 2 straight Vegeta fights to even get to that, and by the third, you'd think it'd start getting boring.

Basically, from what this episode implies, I don't think the tournament is going to go on for much longer.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#35094: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:40:27 PM

[up][up][up]If I'm being honest with myself, yeah, that's probably the primary reason. Also, it's also because I'm hoping Gohan shows up to save the day, but Monaka winning would obviously stop that from happening.

I also hate his design vehemently.

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#35095: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:41:41 PM

What's wrong with his design?

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#35096: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:46:13 PM

I just hate the way he looks. He looks completely out of place, and not in a good way like Botamo.

Hopefully he isn't as important as Super is leading us to believe. I want to get this guy outta the way as soon as possible.

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#35097: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:48:30 PM

I love Monaka's design and hope that he's awesome-looking in battle.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#35098: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:50:55 PM

Watch, it's going to be revealed that he fought Beerus using balls of yarn a long time ago, and Beerus just has an extremely warped and nostalgic view of how that fight went down.

That, or he can transform.

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#35099: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:53:06 PM

Given his outfit, I hope that his fighting style is something akin to wrestling.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35100: Mar 5th 2016 at 7:56:01 PM

What makes you think Vegeta will have three fights? Looking at the episodes list, he only has one fight lined up with Cabba unless you think Piccolo will lose to Magetta. Even then his fight count will only be a little higher than Goku and Piccolo (winning 1 and losing 1).

As for Monaka, I like his design more than Botamo who is basically a demonic Winnie-the-Pooh. I also hope he doesn't transformed. Transformations are kinda overplayed at this point. Him being naturally strong while looking the way he does would make my day.


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