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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#35001: Mar 4th 2016 at 5:54:30 PM

Damn you, patchy knowledge of early Dragon Ball!

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35002: Mar 4th 2016 at 6:11:27 PM

Your patchy knowledge of Dragonball feels the same way I imagine.

Despite how little sense that makes.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35003: Mar 4th 2016 at 6:41:03 PM

Goku killed several of the Red Ribbon guys when he stormed their headquarters.

He was really angry about Uppa's father's death at the time.

Like, it was one of the first times he didn't show mercy. Not even when Black wanted to run away.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35004: Mar 4th 2016 at 6:43:17 PM

That's true, but Black also tried to keep fighting him after learning the truth (and I believe he still tried to leave with the Dragonball as well).

If he'd given up right then and there (along with the Dragonball) maybe he'd have gotten away with his life.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#35005: Mar 4th 2016 at 6:45:19 PM

It seems Goku only goes after your ass if you've shown yourself to have killed one of his friends, then.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35006: Mar 4th 2016 at 6:47:42 PM

Goku's actually nowhere near as reluctant to kill as the North American dubs painted him. During Dragon Ball, Goku probably didn't even know what the word 'Mercy' meant. Because he lived alone on top of a mountain you see... Okay, leaving that aside, Goku really didn't care all that much.

This actually continued even when he became an adult. He was the one who came up with the plan that killed Raditz. Hell, he only chose to spare Vegeta because he wanted to fight him again, not because he advocates mercy.

He also killed Yakon without a second doubt. When Freeza attacked him after Goku's Cruel Mercy, Goku actually tried to kill him, too. He failed, but it wasn't because he didn't make an honest attempt. Also, he killed King Cold and Freeza in Trunks' timeline.

If anything, Goku's pretty fucking brutal - he broke Nappa's spine, meaning Nappa would probably be paralyzed for the rest of his life.

edited 4th Mar '16 6:48:43 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35007: Mar 4th 2016 at 6:49:12 PM

Well, this makes me wonder:

If Black had cut his losses, decided to give up fighting Goku, and work on restoring the Red Ribbon army in the background, instead of trying to continue the fight, would Goku have still killed him, or would he have spared him?

In most cases I would assume yes, as Goku is prone to falling for that type of thing, but this time it would be for real.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#35008: Mar 4th 2016 at 6:50:02 PM

So why did he try and give Freeza mercy in Resurrection F?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35009: Mar 4th 2016 at 6:51:53 PM

Cause shit writing that's why?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35010: Mar 4th 2016 at 6:52:52 PM

He also showed mercy to the Ginyus several times.

edited 4th Mar '16 6:53:58 PM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35011: Mar 4th 2016 at 7:04:15 PM

The Ginyus were basically no threat to Goku at any point, it's not hard to think he'd show them mercy because they'd be incredibly boring to fight.

Furthermore, he didn't really make an effort to stop Vegeta from killing them.

Goku does not care.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35012: Mar 4th 2016 at 7:07:14 PM

No, he didn't expect Vegeta to kill them. He was very clearly taken by surprise from him killing Recoome and Burter and chastised him for it. He did same thing when Vegeta killed Jeice.

Gok may not be Superman but saying he just doesn't care if his enemies die if they're no fun to fight is wrong. He might not hesitate when he thinks it needs to be done but that's not being as cold as you're making him out to be.

edited 4th Mar '16 7:11:02 PM by LSBK

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35013: Mar 4th 2016 at 7:13:31 PM

This actually continued even when he became an adult. He was the one who came up with the plan that killed Raditz. Hell, he only chose to spare Vegeta because he wanted to fight him again, not because he advocates mercy.

I remember someone writing a post about how Akira Toriyama originally wanted Goku to be an Anti-Hero. "Goku isn't a hero, he's just a guy who loves to fight." I think it was in that Death Battle video actually.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#35014: Mar 4th 2016 at 7:50:39 PM

Goku may have wanted to kill Raditz, but he did try to show mercy when Raditz manipulated him into thinking he could change. By the time Goku is grown up, he seems to have kinda mellowed out into being less of an outright killer, but he's still plenty brutal.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35015: Mar 4th 2016 at 7:56:58 PM

He didn't expect Vegeta to kill them, but he is immensely faster than Vegeta at that point and could have stopped him. Goku didn't, because Goku doesn't care.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35016: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:16:02 PM

Um, no. He didn't stop him because he was surprised by him attacking defenseless opponents . That was very clear. He also very clearly did not approve of Vegeta's actions. Why are you arguing this?

Edit: And for the record, no Goku was not above Vegeta then. Without the Kaioken he was at 90,000 while Vegeta post senzu senkai was over 200,000.

edited 4th Mar '16 8:19:05 PM by LSBK

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#35017: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:18:59 PM

Because they're not creative enough. :P

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#35018: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:20:34 PM

Goku, in the first couple of chapters, before even meeting Oolong, killed a sapient talking fish (by punching it out of the water and dragging it around on dry land to eat), a sapient talking pterodactyl (by badassly ramping Bulma's motorcycle off a rock and breaking its neck with the Nyoi-bo), and a sapient talking bear bandit (by standing on his nose and punching him hard enough between the eyes to shatter his skull).

Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Making darkness adorable since 1999
#35019: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:22:19 PM

So, when did Pilaf, Shu, and Mai get turned into children?

Come on! Let's bless them all until we get fershnickered!
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35020: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:25:19 PM

Sometime between Battle of Gods and Majin Buu's defeat.

Huh. Now that you mention it, that seems awfully familiar. I wonder if that was intentional.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#35021: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:34:02 PM

It almost definitely was a Take That! at GT's nonexistence.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#35022: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:52:28 PM

GT exists dude, and it was good. >.>

edited 4th Mar '16 8:52:34 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35023: Mar 4th 2016 at 8:55:12 PM

I have no opinion on GT one way or the other.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#35024: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:15:53 PM

[up][up]I heavily disagree.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#35025: Mar 4th 2016 at 9:38:50 PM

I am indifferent towards GT.

Acknowledges that it does indeed exist.

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