Okay, my Power Level-inclined brain is starting to fracture at trying to comprehend Piccolo putting up something resembling a fight and possibly winning against someone who put up something resembling a fight against Super Saiyan U6/U7 tournament Goku.
The lowest I can estimate Final Form Frost at is in-between Buuhan and Super Vegetto, assuming that base Goku~Buu Saga Ultimate Gohan and that Super Saiyan has inexplicably been reduced to a 5x multiplier. I cannot justify Piccolo being anywhere near that.
edited 28th Feb '16 10:27:21 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
The whole Good and Bad universes only really apply to the Saiyans and Frost. We don't know a thing about the other fighters or their races. As far as we know, they could be thieves and murderers. And the humans in U6 seemed to be more evil than the humans in U7 since they wiped themselves out. Then again, the something kind of happened in Trunks' time with the androids.
That's the problem, Pushover Media Critic, you're number crunching when you have nothing to base those numbers on.
And again, I remind you all that the only reason Goku and Piccolo didn't kill Raditz without casualties is because of Goku's empathy. Had Raditz not been his brother, had Piccolo not been the one helping to take him down, Goku never would have gotten the idea that Raditz could change and would not have given into his pleas for mercy. And Raditz's superior power level wouldn't have been enough to cover for his inadequacies as a fighter either.
Pudding wasn't the only reason Beerus tried to destroy Earth, Majin Buu also tried to turn him into chocolate.
And if anyone is the John Cena of Japan, it's probably Hiroshi Tanahashi.
Buldogue's lawyerWe know Earth was destroyed in ...Champa's universe (I forgot the number again), but we don't know why.
Consider all the things that happened in Beerus' universe to Earth:
- King Piccolo;
- The Saiyans;
- Frieza (twice);
- Gero,The Androids (who succeed in completely fucking up Earth in one timeline) and Cell;
- Buu (who eventually succeeds in blowing up the Earth);
- And Beerus himself.
If Champa's Earth went through any number of those disasters without anyone of significant power to save it, it's not a shock it got wiped out. As has been pointed out, Earth is a pretty insignificant planet (despite attracting so much shit), so no matter how big a hero Frost is, it's not out of the way for him to miss it. Frieza didn't even learn about Earth until after the shit with Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, and didn't decide to nuke it until after all the shit on Namek went down.
One Strip! One Strip!Oh yeah now that I think about it, if the Saiyans in this Universe are peaceful along with Frost being a great guy...Then Goku never would've been sent to the planet, or hell might not have been born.
Which means Demon King Piccolo probably ravaged the world. After all, they said the HUMANS are gone, nothing about Namekians.
Well either they wiped themselves out or they got nuked by a King Piccolo equivalent.
But then again, it's possible the Nameks of this universe are evil (and maybe the Nameless Namek purged his good side) since we got Frost as Bizarro Frieza.
One Strip! One Strip!From what I have seen, U6's have the same species and even some people who are similar to U7 like Frost, but there are no clones and their history doesn't seem to be a 'What If' of U7. It could be entirely possible that the humans nuked themselves out of existence and poisoned the entire planet.
Also, Frost is not Frieza. They are very similar, but Frost isn't a Frieza if he was nice. He is his own person. So, I don't see why U6 would have clones of Goku, Vegeta, or Piccolo.
SSG Goku is a 6. Beerus is a 10, and Whis is a 15.
SSB Goku and Vegeta could maybe take Beerus, so they have to be higher than a 10 together, if Beerus didn't do any training between Battle of Gods and Resurrection F. This could just mean Vegeta's a 6 too.
The numbers aren't gone. :p
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!My current estimations for that metric are (multiplied by 1,000 for convenience):
Buu Saga Piccolo: 3
Buu Saga Mystic Gohan: 70
Buuhan: 123
SS1 Vegetto: 250
SS2 Vegetto: 500
SS3 Vegetto: 2,000
Base Tournament Goku: 80
Botamo: 5
Frost (1st): 70
Frost (Assault): 105
Frost (Final): 210
SS1 Tournament Goku: 400
SSB Tournament Goku: 8,000
Tournament Piccolo would have to be around Buu Saga Mystic Gohan ~ Buuhan in order to even put up a fight against Final Form Frost and I'm not sure I buy him having made those kinds of gains just by training with Gohan for 8 months. (then again, considering the gains Freeza and Tagoma made in only 4 months, maybe it's not so far-fetched...)
Goku probably didn't bring any with him, it would likely be illegal to use them (I think they said you can't use any items in battle) and he's too busy kissing the dirt to do so anyway.
One Strip! One Strip!It will be interesting to see Piccolo's growth since the last time we got a measure of Piccolo's strength, he was weaker than the Supreme Kai. I am not sure saying he's stronger than base Gohan is a big deal since Piccolo was stronger than any Saiyan base form before god power was introduced.
And can I just say that am I happy to find a forum that is willing to talk about Super where the animation isn't brought up all the freaking time. It is annoying when you want to talk about the plot and character development, and all everyone wants to do is grip about the animation. Yeah, I know the animation is a big Broken Base, but after months of the same complaints I'm just tired of hearing it.
edited 28th Feb '16 9:37:27 PM by Ramona122003
Well, he was pretty powerful near the end of the series. I mean, he's essentially Namek's Krillin.
The strongest of his race (and unlike Krillin, he managed to keep up for quite a while).
Remember he was stronger than a Super Saiyan for a bit, and equal to 17.
He'll be fine, since Frost didn't seem like he was stronger than Goku as a regular Super Saiyan.
One Strip! One Strip!

It's not even being played as a twist. Just a slow reveal with each new character.