Vegeta tried to blow up the earth as threat to make sure Goku didn't dodge and he slaughtered that village because they (obviously) wouldn't give him the dragon ball. Frieza was also very clear about why he wanted Immortality to seal his rule of the universe. That is also what Vegeta wanted for a time. Cell had nothing like that and admits as much.
And Cell most definitely had a choice to stop what he was doing or to never start it in the first place. Majin Buu depends on which form you're talking about.
edited 27th Feb '16 11:49:01 AM by LSBK
Vegeta tried to blow up Earth as a final FUCK YOU to Goku for daring to be stronger than him. He himself would die too because not only can he not survive the explosion of the planet, his space pod would be destroyed and he'd suffocate to death.
He also chose to kill everyone in that Namekian village because he could do it. Stealing the Dragon Ball by only murdering a few people as a warning would've been incredibly easy. None of the Namekians could resist him. The only namekian stronger than him in the entire planet was Nail, and Nail was not going to move from Guru's location to save that village. And even so, so what if they resisted? It's not like he can't knock them out instead of killing them.
And we're in agreement about Cell having literally nothing else to do. The thing is, you consider it a reason for why he is more evil than Vegeta or Freeza, while I say it's the opposite.
While Cell might have free will (he probably does), that doesn't change the fact that he literally knows nothing but what Dr. Gero programmed into him. And what did Dr. Gero program into Cell? Become Perfect, Kill Goku. He achieved the former, the latter is a foregone conclusion, so what does he do now? Well... he was designed for the purpose of annhilating life, so might as well get on that, right?
edited 27th Feb '16 11:51:48 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariDudes.
I mean, we can argue about which one is (or was) the bigger asshole, but that's like arguing the difference between two different shades of blue. They both fucking blue.
In the end, I feel like you're arguing semantics.
One Strip! One Strip!Is there any reason they can't be discussing this topic?
They're both being civil and it's not like we have anything better to talk about right now.
Besides, IANCE's totally right. :P
edited 27th Feb '16 12:48:52 PM by BaconManiac5000
what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else![]()
Yeah, pretty much.
IANCE and I believe that if you choose to do evil, that makes you more evil than if you're just naturally inclined to be that way, whereas LSBK and Godzilla believe the opposite.
edited 27th Feb '16 12:55:54 PM by BaconManiac5000
what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone elseExcept it really should have been a simple matter for him to change sides if he wanted to, he just didn't want to.
Remember, the only things that would coded into him by Gero were "Become Perfect" and "Kill Goku," at no point does destroying the entire planet for shits and giggles, nor absorbing entire cities full of people fall into either category, especially since it's doubtful that Gero even wanted to destroy the entire planet in the first place, so Cell was probably defying Gero on that end by that point.
edited 27th Feb '16 1:05:14 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!It's not even naturally inclined - both Vegeta and Freeza are naturally inclined to violence and acts of evil.
But then again, so is Goku. And even more hilariously, so is Gohan.
Just because they're more inclined to evil rather than good doesn't mean that they're Always Chaotic Evil. There is a factor of choice.
I don't think there was a factor of choice in Cell's case. Unlike them, Cell didn't develop naturally - he was engineered and programmed. He was made into what he was. That's why I say that while he's definitely evil, he's not as evil as Freeza or Vegeta.
Hell, I consider Freeza to be the single most evil being in the entire series, because he is, arguably, the only one who truly had a choice in the matter, since nobody could truly force him to do what he did.
Cell was created for the purpose of killing Goku.
Once Goku's gone, what's next?
Well, he was made for killing, right? So... let's do that. It's what he's supposed to do.
It's like calling Kid Buu evil because it destroys things. It's what it does. It's literally all it does. In Cell's case, it's killing. It's what he was designed, created, raised and programmed to do. He's a weapon, a weapon that wasn't designed with the idea of stopping once it started.
edited 27th Feb '16 1:08:57 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Even more so when you consider that if he didn't do that, he would never have become perfect (he was weaker than 17 before he went on his hungry rampage) nor would he have been able to kill Goku.
So?
Being pure of heart doesn't change the fact that they're both Saiyans and naturally predisposed to violence. The point I'm making here is that being naturally predisposed to being violent lunatics doesn't mean that they have to be violent lunatics. Hell, Goku's bloodlust is pretty damn apparent in the series and he still manages to be 'pure of heart' by virtue of the fact that just because he likes to fight doesn't mean that there is malice in him.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariThis discussion makes me think of something I've always wondered about; how would things go if Gero was still alive when all of this was happening?
Like, Cell referred to Gero with the honorific "sama" and a big part of Cell's motivation was fulfilling Gero's desire to create the "perfect" being, but in a world where Cell actually does manage to become perfect and Gero is still alive what then? Does Cell still do his "I'm going to kill everyone if no one can defeat me" thing or does he defer to Gero help the doctor take over the world and (presumably) beyond?
edited 27th Feb '16 1:27:50 PM by LSBK
Pure of heart means free of malice, distraction and impurity, not moral perfection. Goku enjoys fighting and is purely dedicated to bettering himself, including getting better at fighting. Sure, pure of heart does mean paragon of goodness in some works but in Dragon Ball Pure Is Not Good.
Buldogue's lawyerI'm thinking Cell might help Gero conqueror the world if that helped him achieve his goals but I think Gero's goals would be more about gaining knowledge and the advancement of science than political power or despotism. He could have conquered the world very easily after Goku's death but instead chose to keep building and testing in his laboratory.
Buldogue's lawyerAn interesting what-if in Supersonic Warriors 2 was Gero absorbing Gohan's energy instead of Piccolo's and ending up with a bit of his hidden potential. Gero proceded to wreck shop, then release 16, 17, and 18 and beat them into submission. They rampaged until they met Cell, at which point Gero promptly betrayed 16, 17, and 18 to make Cell Perfect. Cell and Gero got along swimmingly until Gero grew paranoid that Cell would betray him, at which point Gero betrayed Cell and sent Cell WAY into the future.
I think that the end result of Cell and Gero living at the same time would ultimately be Cell betraying Gero because ultimately Cell does have free will - and the massive ego that results from combining Vegeta and Freeza into one being that can be very easily wounded.
So... I think the end result would be practically the same - except instead of getting killed by 17, Gero would be killed by Cell.
Not because he outlived his usefulness, but because he'd become too annoying.
Actually, it could very well result in Goku turning Cell on his master the same way he did Buu, which could possibly result in Cell turning good, maybe? I mean, they'd have a completely different impression of Cell if he murderized Doctor Gero. I guess it'd depend on whether or not Mr. Satan can befriend him.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariWell a very old video game had it so that Goku kicked Cell's ass at the Cell Games in his story mode, but instead of killing him, he let him live to fight another day; Cell runs off, promising to settle the score with Goku, but since the last image of Goku's story mode had Cell sneaking into a group shot of all the heroes, it seems to imply that Cell ultimately joined with the Z Fighters at some point like Buu does in canon. Think it was the second Super Butoden game actually.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!

Uh, no, Freeza definitely did what he did out of hobby. Until Goku came along, there were literally five beings stronger than him in the entire universe, one was the King of all Demons who was with Babidi at the time, another was the supreme Kai, another was Kibito and the other two were Beerus and Whis. Freeza was basically God and could do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted and there was absolutely no one who could say 'No' to him and survive.
Vegeta tried to blow up Earth because he was throwing a tantrum over losing a fight. He also killed the Namekian village just because he could. While he's more interested in his obsessions than on genocide, he certainly enjoys the latter a whole lot. It doesn't matter if he did it under Freeza's orders. He still did it, willingly, and enjoyed every second of it.
Cell has literally no reason to exist other than to become Perfect. After that, what does he have left? He's basically a petri dish of the most violent people in the universe. Are you surprised that he's an incredibly violent being?
Cell killed because he could. Just like Freeza. Just like Vegeta. After all, nobody forced Vegeta to obliterate those stands full of people when he did. Babidi couldn't control him.
Well, it's true that neither Freeza nor Vegeta would kill everyone just because. However, does that make them less evil than Cell? I'd say no, because it's not like they're doing it out of their good will. They're doing it purely out of selfish desire to have someone to lord their power over. Admittedly, Vegeta is more likely to just get bored and try to find someone else to fight than he is to rule, but the point still stands: It's not out of the goodness of their hearts that they'd stop, it's because they have other goals.
I say Cell is a lot less bad because unlike the other two, Cell literally has nothing else. His one objective in life has been achieved. He is a being purely ruled by his biology, and the main ingredient in the Cell recipe is Saiyan with a side dish of Freeza and throw in Namekian Evil Half just to spice it up a bit.
I consider Cell and Majin Buu less evil than Freeza and Vegeta because unlike the latter, the former don't really have a choice in the matter. That's not to say that they're not monsters that should die for the good of everyone else, because they are, but it does change the fact that I don't consider them as evil as the ones who chose to be evil.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari