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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#34301: Feb 19th 2016 at 7:40:35 PM

What really must be killing you is missing the Kara no Kyoukai collab.

Free Ryougi, man! Get that shit fixed quicks. And by quicks, I mean Jack the Stripper-tier quicks. Maybe even Okita-tier quicks.

Also, generally speaking, most people just go by what is written in the manga as the canon, and what is not explicitly said in the manga is taken with a grain of salt. Of course, it's rather easy to accept things that are official and don't generally conflict with the canon.

It's, for instance, not that difficult to accept that the movie Bojack Unbound might have happened. Because it doesn't really conflict with anything - and Gohan does prove later on that even if he did receive proof that further threats to Earth can be a thing, he still won't train himself. So it doesn't even conflict with things from that standpoint.

On the other hand, the Legendary Super Saiyan movie literally can't happen in the timeframe it would need to happen to have the characters it has in the state they are. It shows Super Saiyan Gohan, so it's after Goku and Gohan come out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, but Goku's alive and Gohan can't go SSJ 2, so it's before they killed Cell. There's a very small timeframe for that, and the appearance of Broly in that timeframe would likely result in Cell of all people being the one to kill him instead.

Not because he's trying to defend Earth, but because he's getting in the way of Cell's destruction of it.

And actually, that sounds like an interesting premise for an Enemy Mine fanfic that results in Cell doing a Piccolo.

edited 19th Feb '16 7:41:16 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34302: Feb 19th 2016 at 7:45:15 PM

Actually Bojack Unbound does have inconsistencies, mainly that it's said that there were no conflict between Cell and Boo and that Gohan hadn't seen Goku since the Cell Games.

Also Chichi should be visibly pregnant with Goten during the movie.

edit: how the hell do I get the free Shiki?

edited 19th Feb '16 7:46:55 PM by Saiga

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34303: Feb 19th 2016 at 7:46:34 PM

Hope you get your internet fixed soon Saiga. And thanks for breaking down what the Daizenshuu are supposed to do.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#34304: Feb 19th 2016 at 7:52:17 PM

[up][up]It's a rumor, far as I know, but apparently Shiki'll be the free servant in the collab, probably to make up for the lack of one in Valentine's.

Anyway, even those things you mention are really minimal stuff that could easily be fixed with just a few minor alterations.

Maybe they said there was no conflict between Cell and Buu because Bojack really wasn't that big a deal - Gohan shitstomped him and nobody died, after all.

And Chichi could just as easily be cut from the movie altogether.

(By the by: Shiki's a SR Assassin, so if you haven't been able to roll Jack, this is finally the possible replacement for Hassan... and yes, I do believe Hassan is a superior servant to Stheno, even despite the massive gap in stats.)

edited 19th Feb '16 7:53:49 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#34305: Feb 19th 2016 at 7:54:30 PM

Frost is pretty cool, i wonder if he has a Golden form.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34306: Feb 19th 2016 at 7:58:09 PM

But she wasn't so the movie doesn't fit as is which was my point.

If you're willing to make changes and headcanons anything can fit.

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#34307: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:00:28 PM

@ IANCE.... damn you, that is a good idea!

@ Saiga DAMN YOU AS WELL FOR GIVING ME IDEAS FOR A FUNCTIONAL BROLY IN ME AND ZEL'S FIC.

Also, I hope you're able to get your internet fixed, bro.

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#34308: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:05:17 PM

Wait... Broly is inspired by Sun Wukong?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#34309: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:10:58 PM

@Saiga

Eh, it's not like the manga itself is free of inconsistencies.

I mean, Vegeta quit fighting after Cell, didn't he?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#34310: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:28:00 PM

@ Chi-Chi: You know, Goten's existence is funny to me because it implies a Pre-Climax Climax between Goku and Chi-Chi and I honestly can't picture how she managed to get the notoriously fighting-sexual Goku into bed.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#34311: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:29:18 PM

Goku very purposefully reserved the week before the Cell Games for relaxation. It probably wasn't that difficult.

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#34312: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:37:21 PM

Chi-chi not seeming pregnant depends on how much time passed between the end of the Cells games and Bojack's appearance. How long does it take for a pregnancy to become visible?

As for the lack of conflict since the Cell Games, like others have said, Bojack and his minions, despite their power, went down in a day once Gohan went SSJ 2, so you could say there was nothing serious since then.

They only managed to kill one dude: the random Sumo wrestler. Everyone else lived.

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#34313: Feb 19th 2016 at 9:57:51 PM

Quitting fighting doesn't mean he didn't stay in shape though. Plus with Goku back he had reason to start fighting again, Goku being gone was why he quit.

It's not an inconsistency.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#34314: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:05:28 AM

I mean, from what I remember Goku told Gohan to go play with Dende at the Lookout for the last three days and then Goku would pick him up to go to the Cell games.

Like, at the time, for the kids in the audience, it seemed like he did it for Gohan, so Gohan could have fun and relax without his mom making him study.

Given that seven years later there's a Goten, to me it seems like Goku wanted to fuck his wife, and didn't want Gohan walking in on them.

Also Chichi should be visibly pregnant with Goten during the movie.

...Huh.

I mean. How long was Bojack after Cell?

Like, how much someone shows can vary a lot from person to person and from pregnancy to pregnancy. But.

Wait... Broly is inspired by Sun Wukong?

Yeah. His outfit, definitely.

Sun Wukong had a crown to keep him under control.

edited 20th Feb '16 2:10:47 AM by unnoun

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#34315: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:10:43 AM

[up]Now my headcanon.

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#34316: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:17:38 AM

[up][up]Huh. How 'bout that?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#34317: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:18:00 AM

The way Sun Wukong's crown worked is that it couldn't be removed from his head, and it was a magic crown that grew and shrunk when you said certain words and chants, and when Xuanzang said a certain command phrase the crown would shrink and crush Sun Wukong's head. When Xuanzang said a different phrase the crown would loosen, but not enough to come off.

Which, yes, is the reason for that pill Bulma gave Oolong that gave him the runs.

Like, Broly's crown doesn't work the same way, but the basic principle of "mind control crown" still applies.

I've seen some neat fics where Goku stayed Kakarot, and Gohan Sr. had a similar crown that he used to keep the young Saiyan under control. And when Bulma shows up, Gohan tells her the command phrases.

Going off that, I think the best and simplest way to parallel Broly and Goku is for Broly to basically be what Goku would be like if he had stayed Kakarot and didn't hit his head.

Except that's basically the character concept for Bardock and Turles, so nevermind.

edited 20th Feb '16 2:24:30 AM by unnoun

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#34318: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:23:26 AM

I dunno, I kinda like Saiga's idea of Broly as a Saiyan Paragon, making him a bloodthirsty violent monster who lives for wanton destruction and murder and the purging of the weak.

Leading to a tiny bit of character development for Vegeta when he sees this unholy destroyer of worlds who is the pinnacle of everything his race believed in and something he once strove to be and just goes

"Nnnnope. Not a fan."

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#34319: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:26:19 AM

I mean, maybe Kakarot could have been a Saiyan Paragon, but.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure I consider what Broly represents to actually be what the Saiyans envisioned for themselves? Like, not based on what we actually see from Bardock, Raditz and Nappa. As distinct from what Vegeta talked about.

The Saiyans like punching things, but not complete annihilation. Then there'd be no more things to punch.

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#34321: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:39:48 AM

Broku. The broest of Ku's.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#34322: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:46:27 AM

Like, Sun Wukong was this powerful demon and ruler of demons (and monkeys) that got trapped in the Buddha's hand before Xuanzang recruited him, so. Like, to an extent that could be the aspect Broly plays off of more? Except, like, that would basically make Broly into Bojack.

All the character concepts that could make Broly work have already been taken.

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#34323: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:35:58 AM

That's not what they're doing. They're trying to fill one of Toei's plot holes, it has nothing to do with continuity welding because this problem appears in the anime itself even without taking other continuities into account.
A wasted effort. I think the guidebooks are somewhat useful for clarifying some things that were not explained well in the manga, but I still take most of the non manga information they provide with a grain of salt.

Now what would have made Broly work? Goku is the only fighter still standing, the only one who can keep getting back up, but Broly keeps beating him back down. He knows the others still have energy to use, he wants them to give it to him but they're all to out of it to hear him...except Gohan, who weakly comes to see his daddy getting stomped through a mountain. Then he sees Broly kill Paragus and loses it. He goes Super Saiyan 2, he knocks Broly around a bit. Broly still has something of an advantage because he's got a cooler head but then Kakarot distracts him, Broly get's angry but not as angry as Gohan is now, Broly tries to hide behind his energy barrier but Gohan breaks through, beats him to death and blasts his remains to ashes. The meteor hits and we cut to Goku using instant transmission to take everyone to Earth.

Goku had fun but having seen how much he was outclassed in strength realizes he's still got a lot of training to do. Gohan is still disgusted with Broly's actions but a little ashamed that two of them are really Not So Different. Goku tells Gohan how proud of him he is and that realizing that people like Broly are wrong and need to be stopped is what's most important. The movie ends. New villains are created for two new movies instead of reusing Broly two more times.

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#34324: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:39:59 AM

That entire idea falls apart simply because you have him go Super Saiyan 2 at seeing Paragus get killed; why in God's name would he snap from seeing the death of the guy who tried to kill them all via meteor, and placed his own son under mild mind control?

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#34325: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:44:39 AM

I can't get behind anyone going Super Saiyan 2 either, especially not from one of the goddamn villains dying.


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