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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#33926: Feb 8th 2016 at 5:28:05 AM

That was pretty cool but the animation frequently dipped into Uncanny Valley.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#33927: Feb 8th 2016 at 5:34:33 AM

Bra might be Bulma from some flashback?

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#33928: Feb 8th 2016 at 6:14:38 AM

If you're seeing a Bra, you're probably watching an ecchi anime and not Dragon Ball.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#33929: Feb 8th 2016 at 6:18:29 AM

Not really ecchi if they have bras.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#33930: Feb 8th 2016 at 6:33:51 AM

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To be fair, Vegeta gets his teeth kicked in more often than not. Include the movies (since Toei apparently influences Super quite a bit), Vegeta gets wrecked in less than 5 minutes in almost every film.

It's not that different from how Goku learned the Kaioken off-screen, or Super Saiyan 3 off-screen - except here we were given a "requirement" for the transformation and now Super's supposedly saying it isn't necessary. And even then, he's training with a deity.

Frieza also obtained a god form through some unknown training.

edited 8th Feb '16 6:37:58 AM by Soble

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#33931: Feb 8th 2016 at 6:54:37 AM

It wasn't just "force of will", Whis's training obviously had a hand in Vegeta gaining God Ki.

Well good for him but that doesn't actually explain how he did it. If just training with someone with godly ki was enough Goku probably would have got it training with King Kai.

And Goku has never been smart. This is the same guy that thought marriage was food.

They didn't say Goku was smart they said Super was making him look dumber to make Vegeta look better. And him not knowing what marriage is was not a sign of stupidity. It's unreasonable to expect a person who has lived in total isolation, without ever even hearing about the concept, to know what it means. People actually have to learn things, contrary to popular opinions there are very few, if any, things in life we "just know".

edited 8th Feb '16 6:55:33 AM by LSBK

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#33932: Feb 8th 2016 at 6:56:10 AM

Comparing Whis to Kaiou-sama is the most hilarious thing I've heard today.

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#33933: Feb 8th 2016 at 6:57:27 AM

It's pretty clear that none of the Kais have the same type of Ki that Beerus and Whis use.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#33934: Feb 8th 2016 at 7:03:32 AM

Eh, being a god is a pretty vague thing here. I could buy the kais having the same type of energy even if on a much smaller scale. And even if they don't "Vegeta trained with Whis" still doesn't magically make things with Vegeta make sense.

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#33935: Feb 8th 2016 at 7:16:43 AM

Wasn't there that thing where you can't sense god ki?

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#33937: Feb 8th 2016 at 7:52:10 AM

Indeed.

It's been shown that Goku and friends can sense the Kais and Supreme Kais.

Beerus and Whis are in their own league.

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#33938: Feb 8th 2016 at 8:51:46 AM

The fact that Frieza was able to train himself to Godhood proves that it isn't just a Saiyan thing. Presumably there exists a level of power above which one becomes a God. Similarly, if one becomes a God, they achieve a certain level of power to correspond with it.

Simple explanation: The Super Saiyan God ritual is just one of the methods of God ascension that are possible; this one exclusive to Saiyans. Some other races might have other means for becoming a God, and anyone becomes a God if they can grind their power far enough.

Goku became a God by ritual and gained the power with it. He remained at God level by somehow retaining the power. Frieza and Vegeta, on the other hand, increased their strength to God levels the hard way and obtained Godly Ki as a result of crossing that threshold.

edited 8th Feb '16 8:52:53 AM by TobiasDrake

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#33939: Feb 8th 2016 at 8:57:17 AM

Well that and Vegeta retained the power he had when he got that power boost against Beerus.

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#33940: Feb 8th 2016 at 9:00:37 AM

Freeza never became a God, he just had an absurd amount of hidden potential. You don't need God Ki to hurt anyone that uses it.

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#33941: Feb 8th 2016 at 9:01:51 AM

If we ignore the silliness of Goku's power retention coming as a result of whining about relying on others, then it's entirely appropriate to their characters.

Goku, as per his character, became a God through the assistance of others teaching him new skills and helping him raise his strength. Vegeta and Frieza, meanwhile, are just naturally gifted and get better results from less effort.

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#33942: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:13:52 PM

Just so you know, I don't think that's Bra. I think it's a flashback to a young Bulma at the end of Jaco the Galactic Patrolman. Meaning it's going to be the first part of the Jaco manga that's going to be animated. Which is awesome.

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#33943: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:18:23 PM

Part of me likes to think the Kais have godly ki, but then I recognize that doesn't quite match what we see.

I mean.

I like the idea that the powers of creation and destruction are theoretically equal, but the power of creation is divided and embodied in many individuals while destruction just has Beerus.

Also Whis doesn't count. Whis isn't creation or destruction. Whis is just Whis.

Of course, all the Supreme Kais dying like they did probably throws the balance off by a lot.

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#33944: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:24:13 PM

The Kaio can definitely be sensed, since Goku teleported to North Kaio multiple times. Can the Kaioshin be sensed though? I distinctly recall no-one knowing how strong either of them were until they were in combat and East managed to survive Buu's attack and get away with nobody knowing. I don't think anything actually contradicts the Kaioshin having Godly Ki.

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#33945: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:28:12 PM

I get the impression that people can sense that Beerus has power.

Like, there's a difference between Beerus and the androids. When people that can sense ki are around Beerus it's less like he has no energy and more like he has so much that it's overwhelming. They can't get a grasp on it, and they can't pinpoint it in terms of like location, or measure it but.

edited 8th Feb '16 1:29:10 PM by unnoun

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#33946: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:33:36 PM

Not being able to tell how strong Kaioshin was until he was directly in combat doesn't mean he's unsensable. It just means he can suppress his ki.

Goku couldn't sense Frieza's full power until he started using it either; this is relevant when he fires the x20 Kamehameha. Goku notes when he fires it that it only has a shot of working if Frieza's been bluffing about his true power all this time.

edited 8th Feb '16 1:35:16 PM by TobiasDrake

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#33947: Feb 8th 2016 at 2:15:48 PM

I'm not saying the Kaioshin could never be sensed; I'm saying that since the Kaioshin never actually were sensed, it would be a simple matter to retcon them into having Godly Ki the whole time.

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#33948: Feb 8th 2016 at 2:28:45 PM

Except they totally were. That's why Piccolo refused to fight Kaioushin during the 25th Budoukai.

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#33949: Feb 8th 2016 at 2:42:13 PM

But it was more the vague "This guy is way out of my league" sensing associated with Godly Ki.

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#33950: Feb 8th 2016 at 3:21:32 PM

No, unless Super's pulled some more BS, Godly Ki can't be sensed at all by non-gods. No one other than Kaiou, Elder Kaioushin, and Kibitoshin could sense Beerus and Whis (and, presumably, Goku once he became a Super Saiyan God).

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