Y'know it's a missed opportunity that she never addresses Cell's time travel fuckery. We get an explanation for why she's overlooked Trunks' (she does seem more lenient if it's for benevolent purposes) but I guess the Cell situation solved itself before she could be bothered to get involved.
I still think it should have been brought up again in Xenoverse or something, especially since Cell appears in two timelines where she could have addressed it.
Actually there's a line in Xenoverse where S Ko T said she was going to deal with Cell before Trunks and the others handled that problem.
Wait, wouldn't that mean Super Saiyan Blue, and by proxi Super Saiyan God, is only a 20,000x boost?
edited 31st Jan '16 1:15:15 AM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!![]()
yeah it would, but it could still work. I crunched the numbers to compare to Vegetto and as long as you're conservative with the Boo arc escalation it works.
But I doubt current base Goku being "Ultimate" will ever actually be proven by the show itself. I don't think that much thought was put behind his new base or how strong it is.
Well, whether the idea of Super Saiyan God being 50x SS3/Ultimate Goku works with Vegetto not being able to defeat Beerus.
I know I previously said that I could see SSG being like a 40,000x multiplier but that was just based on a rough idea of Vegetto being 100x stronger than Goku. I don't think he needs to be that much stronger for the Boo arc to work out.
Except two things: 1, you did that because you had Super Vegetto as being 4000x stronger than Goku or 10x stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, which would have made SS3 Vegetto 32,000x stronger than Goku; 2, how does this affect Golden Ōzaru and Super Saiyan 4 then, since you made those a 4000 and 40,000x boost respectively.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!It's not like Goku power is static through Super. He's much stronger now than he was before Whis training, and he will get stronger in the future. So assigning some arbitrary equivalence of base Goku now = SSJ3 Goku in Buu saga makes no sense.
Besides base Goku and Fourth form Freeza sure seemed a lot stronger than SSJ3 level, judging from reactions.
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It doesn't effect those at all because that's GT.
And I don't have Vegetto that strong, it was just an example. He's close to that and by these numbers SSG Goku would have to end up weaker than SS3 Vegetto, with both being weaker than Beerus.
I'm not saying base Goku now is equal to Boo arc Super Saiyan 3 Goku. I'm saying he's effectively using his Super Saiyan 3 power without transforming. That level of power isn't static. He would have started at that level and then become stronger through Whis' training.
And considering that his SSB is supposed to be weaker than Beerus still, I don't think he has improved too much from Whis' training. So he'd still be in the range of a Super Saiyan 3.
No-one who spectated the Goku vs Freeza fight was currently SS3 tier. Gohan formerly was, but he was still blown away by Tagoma's power who is nowhere near that. So I don't think anyone's reactions disprove that.
Can I just say that it is REALLY funny that Goku vs Uub was originally used to argue that base Goku was SS3 level with the consensus being that was WAY too high and, right now, that same fight is used to argue the same point, with the consensus being that is WAY too low?
edited 31st Jan '16 4:56:53 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
New episode of Super.
I like how Vados just drags the six Super Dragon Balls in tow, as if they weren't planet sized. And then creates a barrier that Champa can't break, atmosphere, and whole stadium from nothing. Damn, the space magic is amazing.
Honestly, I can't wait when someone beats Beerus, he's getting rather annoying with his high and mighty attitude.
Tights makes her anime debut. People who didn't read Jaco must be confused as hell about now.
Oh yeah, Vegeta is an errand boy now.
edited 31st Jan '16 8:44:34 AM by Shlugo_the_great

That makes his power as a base Saiyan and dropping Super Saiyan 2/3 feel a lot less random. Both would be explained by this change.
But there's a lot of lines in Super and other materials that imply Goku isn't so weak, including a lot of things that suggest that base Goku is using Super Saiyan God's power (which doesn't make much sense) or has even surpassed it (which makes much less sense). There are a lot of interpretations going on right now.