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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#32451: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:27:48 PM

Toei is treating Super like it's still DBZ. As in, they keep adding unnecessary filler scenes that add nothing to the story. And I'm worried they're going to keep doing that in Universe 6. I mean, the entire cast is there spectating (bar Gohan). There's a lot of opportunities for pointless interactions during the fights.

Basically, the only things that are actually 'canon' in Super are the characters and the general scenarios. Everything else is like watching a typical episode of DBZ.

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#32452: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:31:02 PM

I don't understand why there would ever be filler in something that's Anime First.

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#32453: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:32:51 PM

The only reasons I can think of are 1) Because Toei is too used to adding filler scenes in DBZ and One Piece, and they don't seem to realise they don't need to do it anymore

and 2) It's easier to animate

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#32454: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:33:35 PM

Filler isn't the right word, it's be more accurate to call it padding. But whatever you call it, it doesn't make it less annoying.

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#32455: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:34:29 PM

It used to be filler, now it's padding, and they're doing it because this is how they adapt. Toei loves Adaptation Expansion but has a poor grasp on the source material. This is their M.O.

And they're including all the crap Toei added because they like all the crap Toei added, on account of the fact that they're Toei.

edited 11th Jan '16 2:35:02 PM by TobiasDrake

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#32456: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:41:12 PM

I mean, they could always try and put effort into making it actually good, but then again Toei sounds like they don't know how to do that or don't care to do that. There could always be good comedic moments to at least give everyone some degree of relevance, if not some actually good filler action sequences.

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#32457: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:42:01 PM

[up] They don't need to make it good. Sadly, anything with the word Dragon Ball (or One Piece) on it prints money. Trying is for poor people.

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#32458: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:42:51 PM

Doesn't Shenlong literally mean Dragon God?That's why "Arise Shenlong!" is kind of the universal password.

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#32459: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:45:25 PM

Most western animated series can make good filler episodes that at least try to expand on character some. Of course, Dragon Ball was never really about expanding character that much (though there was definitely development), but from my own personal view, character sequences would be pretty good. Try and give more depth and whatnot (but again, this is my opinion).

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#32460: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:54:55 PM

I mean, they could always try and put effort into making it actually good

I'm sure if you were to ask Toei, they would say that's exactly what they're doing.

Quality is subjective, which is why the answer to, "Why is Toei following up on all that crap Toei added?" is now, and will always remain, because Toei likes Toei's work.

I'm certain Toei doesn't think of the things Toei does as Canon Defilement, they think of it as Adaptation Expansion that improves on the original. They think they're filling plot holes, fleshing out characters who went criminally underused, building the world, etc. They don't notice that they're also creating plot holes, derailing characters, and constantly contradicting the world-building that already exists.

edited 11th Jan '16 2:58:20 PM by TobiasDrake

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#32461: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:04:14 PM

Well, Toei do have like 2 other series they're doing. Budget probably wears thin.

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#32462: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:05:07 PM

Let me guess: Sailor Moon and One Piece?

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#32463: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:11:05 PM

One Piece, Precure, Sailor Moon Crystal, I think this series called World Trigger, those Digimon movies...

They actually do a lot.

And, yeah. The problem is Toei LIKES their old filler. Hence why GT brought back stuff from the Garlic Jr. arc. Hence why Super references the Ginyu!Bulma shenanigans.

I don't know why they like it, either. I guess they're just proud they were able to come up with their own Dragon Ball material. Even if it was crap.

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#32464: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:16:38 PM

And, yeah. The problem is Toei LIKES their old filler. Hence why GT brought back stuff from the Garlic Jr. arc. Hence why Super references the Ginyu!Bulma shenanigans.

And why the Garlic Jr. arc even existed at all. They made a filler arc out of the return of a villain who only existed in one of the movies, despite the fact that, like almost all the movies, its events cannot ever have happened in the tightly-woven continuity of the show.

That's like having Lord Slug, Cooler, and Android 13 team up to take down Goku and Vegeta in an arc of Super.

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#32466: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:36:34 PM

Something to do with some kind of sacred water that undoes mind control in Garlic Jr. is also used in the Baby arc. When everyone gets mind-controlled by Baby. It's really stupid.

But, yeah. GT is a continuation of the anime, not the manga.

Whereas Super is some kind of weird amalgamation of them both.

Basically, Super has no canon. Don't think about it too much.

edited 11th Jan '16 3:37:58 PM by LOLypop1224

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#32467: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:39:50 PM

Continuity has no consequence on this show.

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#32468: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:40:47 PM

"Don't think about it too much" doesn't sound like the spirit of this thread.

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#32469: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:49:15 PM

Well, let's put it this way.

Super is supposed to be a continuation after Majin Buu. It's essentially "more canon" than GT, because Toriyama actually wrote the ideas for it.

The movies have clear places in the timeline and are generally considered "canon".

Super's movie retellings are literally what happens if you give the movies to Toei as an outline, and ask them to try and turn them into television arcs.

The Universe 6 arc's concept was made by Toriyama. But Toei is involved in making it, and is presumably adding more stuff and referencing their own material like they did in GT.

But this time, Super is supposed to be "canon", as opposed to GT, which we've decided isn't. Except Toei is writing Super in the same way they'd write something like GT. But Super IS canon this time even though it's like GT because...we said so.

Hence why this is a whole convoluted mess and why we really shouldn't think about it.

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#32470: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:51:05 PM

Super is still better than GT.

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#32471: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:52:45 PM

I never really got what was so terrible about GT but Super just didn't really do it for me. Again, probably because of the drawn out retelling of things that already happened.

edited 11th Jan '16 3:53:07 PM by LSBK

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#32472: Jan 11th 2016 at 4:12:54 PM

There are at least concepts from GT that I like. This is what I think of Super.

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#32473: Jan 11th 2016 at 4:18:43 PM

The God Goku/Beerus fight was great! As was bringing back Ginyu and giving Tagoma an expanded role! Most of the filler has actually been pretty good too! Remember Vegeta at an amusement park with his family? Or Goku faking the impact of Mr. Satan's punch? Or The Great Saiyaman play-fighting Mr. Satan for Pan? Or Goku with a Smartphone?!

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#32474: Jan 11th 2016 at 4:46:14 PM

Basically, Super's movie retellings were shit except for Episode 11 and 13. The slice-of-life Filler was nice, but it was just filler.

But then again, they're MOVIE RETELLINGS. They're not even the selling point of the series. Champa and Vados were shown from the first preview. This has all just been a delaying game.

Now, if the tournament starts and it's shit, then...I dunno. I guess I'll join the hate-wagon like everyone else.

And that'll suck.

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#32475: Jan 11th 2016 at 4:50:07 PM

The tournament stuff in the manga's been great so far.


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