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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#32401: Jan 11th 2016 at 1:48:31 AM

I like The Ring, and I don't care if it makes no sense.

Dragon Ball is far from the most consistent story. Giving Goku a weakness like this makes him feel more human. I like it.

As long as they don't overuse it.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#32402: Jan 11th 2016 at 2:19:42 AM

But, y'know, Goku isn't human. He was an alien and now he is a god.

Furthermore, the 'weakness' they gave him was fabricated for this movie. Goku isn't a naive and stupid little kid anymore. He's just kind of stupid and kind of naive now.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32403: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:01:33 AM

Regarding Gohan 50%: We've been over this, 50% energy does not equal 50% Power Level. Not to mention the point I made that started this argument still destroys the other side. Gohan got angry, got stronger and got effortlessly beaten back by suppressed Cell.

SS 1 Gohan < Angry SS 1 Gohan < Suppressed Cell < Full Power Cell is FACT.

edited 11th Jan '16 3:02:10 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#32404: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:22:23 AM

Uh, no. That is not so. Like you said, we've been over this. Their ki is everything. Half ki means half power. Hell, Piccolo even says that Gohan is going to lose because his ki is too low, because, you know, they use their ki to attack. And defend. And move fast.

edited 11th Jan '16 3:24:46 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#32405: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:25:22 AM

I love when people say stuff like "we've been over this" when they are the ones who've been proven wrong in the past. [lol]

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32406: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:26:11 AM

Okay, this: SS 1 Gohan < Angry SS 1 Gohan < Suppressed Cell < Full Power Cell, is FACT, so either SS 2 is far more than a 2x multiplier stacked on SS 1, or 50% energy doesn't equal 50% Power Level. There is no other option.

[up]I know right?

edited 11th Jan '16 3:27:09 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#32407: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:27:24 AM

No, you are saying it's fact. It doesn't make it fact.

SSJ 2 Gohan is SSJ Gohan x 2. SSJ 2 Gohan at 50% power was still stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Ergo, SSJ 1 Gohan was stronger than Cell.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32408: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:29:33 AM

Except that angry SS 1 Gohan was casually smacked back by Suppressed Cell. Ergo: SS 1 Gohan <<< 100% Cell.

edited 11th Jan '16 3:30:17 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#32409: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:32:48 AM

Except that doesn't apply when you remember that Gohan wasn't pissed to the point of pulling out his full power until he went SSJ 2, and even then, he still wasn't using his full power until the very last second.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32410: Jan 11th 2016 at 3:38:29 AM

No. Gohan was just weaker. He had a set Power Level that was higher than his dad, but he was also weaker than Cell. His full power was already out throughout the fight, he just got stronger through rage, than through SS 2. His non-angry full power as a SS 1 is what he showed when he started fighting Cell. This fight is a lot simpler than you're making it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32411: Jan 11th 2016 at 5:48:31 AM

"Hey Saiga we're having an obnoxious power level debate please come get right in the middle of it!"

you say that like i have any self control

when this is me

"I've lost half my chi" "You can do it, believe in yourself"

The problem with the view that Gohan was at 50% power at max and was losing while he used less that that, is that Gohan didn't have more in reserve. He thought he only had 50% power and that he was using all of that 50% on his Kamehameha. He ended up being wrong on the second, which puts the first in doubt. If he wasn't aware that he still had power in reserve, how would he know that he's got 50% less at max? He clearly has to be unaware of how much power he can put out to not know he's holding back.

Therefore, I think it's much more likely that 50% was all Gohan could put out before he tapped into more power at Goku's urging.

We've been over this

We have and I don't recall anyone agreeing with you.

SS 1 Gohan < Angry SS 1 Gohan < Suppressed Cell < Full Power Cell is FACT.

You would probably be taken more seriously if you stopped claiming your subjective interpretations of the scenes were hard fact.

And to be completely frank, your summary of the events is factually wrong:

Gohan got angry, got stronger and got effortlessly beaten back by suppressed Cell.

This isn't how the sequence happens. In chapter 406 Gohan attacks Cell when Cell says that he'll make Gohan's friends suffer. When Cell knocks him back, he says to get made for real.

Then in chapter 407, Gohan is watching the Cell Juniors fight and his hair spikes up. Cell says his ki has increased and he is finally starting to get angry.

Now that is a fact. That is how the scene went down.

Gohan wasn't powered up from his rage before that. He was just blindly attacking in desperation, and got swatted aside because of it. When he was fighting that very same suppression of Cell with a clearer head before, he easily knocked Cell on his ass with a single kick. It's not explicit who is stronger between 'full power' SS1 Gohan and Cell at that stage.

I love when people say stuff like "we've been over this" when they are the ones who've been proven wrong in the past.

Even better when they ignore that you're indirectly calling them out and act like you're in agreement with them.[lol]

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32412: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:05:40 AM

By only focusing on the Gohan's Power argument, it's been proven that I'm totally right.

Thanks Pope Saiga![tup]

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32413: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:13:37 AM

what

Is this about Goku vs ring laser? I didn't feel the need to comment since I felt IANCE and Zel's points covered it well enough - it doesn't work.

also I don't like RF debates because some people actually defend RF and it's disgusting

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32414: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:16:44 AM

There's noting disgusting about Rob.

.....Right, ok, the ring laser is stupid. I'll just drop it.

.....Still gonna De-Pope you.

One Strip! One Strip!
IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#32415: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:20:16 AM

Okay, since Saiga is apparently the man of the hour, I'm putting you on the spot. What did you like about "Revival Of F"?

Buldogue's lawyer
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32418: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:32:40 AM

i think i would have been able to like that if i didn't have to read an essay on why it was so great before i got to actually see it

REALLY killed the mood

IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
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#32419: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:32:55 AM

You still watched Super's rehash of it.

Buldogue's lawyer
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#32420: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:34:22 AM

Hey, it was in Team Four Star's Top 10 Dragon Ball movies!

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32421: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:40:37 AM

that doesn't mean I liked anything of the original? if I want to take part in current conversation, I have to be somewhat away of current topics

Also, I didn't start watching it until I heard of changes like Ginyu and Gotenks being involved. The early arcs of Super have been pretty bad, but I had some hopes it could potentially improve upon its source material

[up] i know and it was terrible

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#32422: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:42:19 AM

Oh yeah, well I'm a fuckmothering vampire, so bleh.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32423: Jan 11th 2016 at 7:07:21 AM

Team Four Star is entitled to their opinion on the movie and Saiga is entitled to his.

As for me, I've seen nothing of the original movie or Super. I should probably get around to that. The movie I mean. I'm not going back to Super into their into entirely new content.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#32424: Jan 11th 2016 at 7:27:26 AM

I know they're entitled to their opinions, I just like saying fuckmothering vampire now.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014

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