It's a little better in Super, because he actually powers down from Blue-hair before The Ring hits. It's not just "The Ring can take down SSGSS-tier". It just took out base Goku. Because his guard was down.
But they're not changing anything else, it seems. Including Freeza blowing up the planet or the Whis Ex Machina. And Goku killstealing. But I never expected them to change that.
edited 10th Jan '16 1:32:56 AM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Come to think of it
For those that subscribe to "Gohan at half-strength is stronger than Super Perfect Cell", Cell managed to hit Gohan when he was off-guard and wreck his arm. I mean wreck Gohan to the point where Gohan didn't even want to finish the battle.
#pandora's box
edited 10th Jan '16 7:37:55 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!My main issue with Ressurection F is that there really wasn't any real sense of urgency. Between Goku and Vegeta literally fighting over who gets to fight Freeza, to how quickly it became apparently that Freeza still had stamina issues, it all just felt anti-climatic.
I guess this is something that Super did better at least.
Ya know, in hindsight; Ressurection F looks like a big Take That! to all of those fans who wanted Frieza to comeback as the main villain.
No, its not some epic struggle of revenge and shit...no, he's literally treated like a joke and dispatched in arguably an even more humiliating way than the first time.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.And yet Gohan at half strength was still stronger than Super Perfect Cell.
Because Goku never intended for Gohan to transform into SSJ 2. He just wanted Gohan to use his actual power to curbstomp Cell. Which he could have done without transforming, just by getting pissed.
edited 10th Jan '16 11:35:39 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariWell, Freeza coming back to beat Goku with a new form was one of the the "AF" plot threads.
Really though, I think some people were underwhelmed by Freeza's death at the hands of Trunks, then angered to see him become a joke in filler, a non serial movie and GT.
What struck me as strange, and this wasn't necessarily an issue with the movie itself, was that the ending theme sung about "Team Z". I don't know why TOEI keeps trying to market the idea of a "Z Team" that doesn't exist, this movie making said nonexistence particularly obvious. Where's Yamucha and Chaozu? Too dangerous for them. Where's Goten and Trunks, doing something else, their mothers didn't want them involved. Where's Buu? No one seems to care. Hell, every who did come were just living out their daily routine and happened to be available. Goku, he wouldn't mind working with Vegeta but prefers to fight separately, Vegeta says fighting alongside Kakarot was horrible and he doesn't want to do it again. Beerus refuses to get involved. Whis only gets involved because he thinks he's teaching Goku a valuable lesson.
I think it is an adorable song but is there any worse time to have sung about "team z"?
Buldogue's lawyerSPEAKING of AF
I looked up the one by the guy who's now doing the Super Manga. The one that's apparently supposed to be "one of the good A Fs"?
Yeesh.
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Except he wasn't actually using half his power when he defeated Super Perfect Cell. Goku had this whole spiel about the only thing holding him back was his state of mind.
And if you really think Super Saiyan 2 Gohan was that above him, Cell even being able to cripple Gohan like that in the first place doesn't make sense.
edited 10th Jan '16 11:59:09 AM by LSBK
Exactly, he was using less than half and when he did use everything he had left, namely, half his power, he overpowered Cell.
As for how Cell crippled Gohan... Well, Gohan is kind of not a very good fighter on top of the whole 'subconsciously limiting his power' thing he always does, so yeah, it doesn't surprise me that unlike every other fighter, he can be crippled by someone much weaker than himself just because he lowered his guard.
edited 10th Jan '16 12:02:48 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariExcept no. Goku was going on about how him only having half his power was in his head.
Gohan could only take Super Perfect Cell with half his strength. It's a discussion that's cropped up here more than once.
Cell would not be able to casually wound Gohan that badly if Gohan really outclassed him as much as you are implying.
Edit: You mean besides all those other hits he took without getting really hurt, something you yourself, love to point out whenever this topic comes up?
edited 10th Jan '16 12:05:56 PM by LSBK
In regards to Team Z, is it even about Dragon Ball? The music sounded like some generic pop noise (and I despise a lot of pop music) and the lyrics seemed really generic "team" stuff.
Either way, I just found it kind of funny how lightly they were taking the fight with Freeza. It felt like Toriyama was subverting the entire "villain comes back badder than ever" formula and having fun with it (I'll have to admit, though, that the first half of the film up to when all of Freeza's army is defeated is still the better part)
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Yes, because Gohan taking hits deliberately is totally the same as him being an idiot and jumping to block an attack on Vegeta with his shoulder instead of, y'know, deflecting it like Nappa did to him.
And Goku never said what you say he said. Goku said that he could beat Cell and that he still wasn't giving it his all.
edited 10th Jan '16 12:12:25 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
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Yeah, because Gohan was totally taking those hits on purpose.
And your real point seems to be that Gohan is such a shit fighter that something that has never actually been shown to be linked to fighting skill, actually conked out on him. I.e. how attacks from much weaker opponents never actually hurt anyone, even if they get them by surprise? But because Gohan is bad at fighting it did in this case?
It just seems like you're grasping at straws.
I remember Saiga commenting and generally disagreeing with IANCE. I don't actually remember his point though. It could have been what I'm saying or something completely different.
edited 10th Jan '16 12:16:01 PM by LSBK

Oh yeah.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?