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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#31876: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:04:30 PM

Actually, it could. The Flash still has to, y'know, actually move from place to place. Near instantaneously, yes, but that 'near' there makes all the difference.

Instant Transmission is, well, instant.

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#31877: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:05:08 PM

Flash outran a teleporter once, IIRC.

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#31878: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:10:32 PM

Goku and Piccolo vs Raditz. He was stronger than both of them combined by a lot and they still won (albeit with the help of a well-placed headbutt from Gohan).

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#31879: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:14:15 PM

Which, if the teleporter isn't instantaneous, is very much possible.

If it is, it's simply impossible unless he can time travel. Which he can actually do in some incarnations - but generally only to the future because, you know, time dillation due to reaching (and passing) light speed and stuff.

Incidentally, this does bring me to a certain thing I was discussing with a guy back when there was the Supes VS Goku rematch.

One fun thing is that the truly and utterly ridiculous feats that Superman has are sometimes completely unintentional on the writers' part, and it tends to be because Writers Have No Sense of Scale. It's also the reason why Superman can hear in Space, even though sound doesn't carry in a vacuum you dumb fucks.

On another note:

Piccolo getting his ass handed to him by Nappa doesn't count for the argument of 'the stronger one always wins' because Nappa wasn't just stronger than Piccolo, he was more experienced, tougher, more skilled, and pretty much just better in every single category. Nappa was half as strong as Goku and still managed to avoid getting insta-stomped until Goku used the Kaioken to be four times as strong as Nappa.

edited 2nd Jan '16 3:16:34 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#31880: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:26:42 PM

Flash has won a race against a guy who could move instantaneously.

To quote

"You have outrun instantaneous movement."

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31881: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:27:42 PM

[up][up]Good point.

But shouldn't Piccolo have had all the combat experience of his previous incarnation at his disposal?

Guess it goes to show not only how powerful, but how skilled Nappa must have been. Come to think of it, Before he used the Kaiouken, Goku was (OVER) 8000. A four thousand point difference and Goku didn't instantly stomp him, even if he was holding back because he had no intention of killing Nappa. This must mean that at certain levels, the gap can be seemingly large and the weaker fighter can still fare well if they are skilled enough.

edited 2nd Jan '16 3:27:56 PM by HandsomeRob

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#31882: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:28:49 PM

The flash also outran the Big Bang once.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#31883: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:29:54 PM

Which is always displayed as a boom for some reason.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31884: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:30:24 PM

Tien was a pretty good, experienced fighter.

See how much that mattered when Nappa just punched his arm off when he tried to defend himself.

I've talked about this in here before, I think. The difference between them wasn't as great as the difference between other fights in the series. SPC should have knocked Vegeta's head off.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#31885: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:30:55 PM

Piccolo Daimaou likely didn't have that much combat experience. There was literally one guy who could match him in the entire world, and that guy couldn't fight to kill because he'd kill himself if he did. The one time he fought a Weak, but Skilled opponent who was more tricky than weak he wound up sealed into an electric rice cooker for centuries.

Also, the only way you can 'outrun' instantaneous movement is by literally going back in time so that you get to your destination before you actually set off, and while Gae Bolg does this, at least that is magic and deliberately reversing causality so that it hits before it is actually used.

edited 2nd Jan '16 3:32:38 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31886: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:31:23 PM

[up][up]

Yeah, but Tien was much, much weaker than Nappa.

Also, SPC?

[up]Fair enough.

Wow, after years of questioning the Technique is still important vibe, you've just proven that it is in fact still important, even if only at that point in the series.

Like a lot of things, it' clearly becomes less visible over time however. The last time it's overtly made clear is with Frieza vs Goku....both fights in fact.

edited 2nd Jan '16 3:33:18 PM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#31887: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:33:05 PM

Tien was a pretty good, experienced fighter that was weaker, less skilled and less experienced than Nappa.

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#31888: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:33:06 PM

[up][up] Super Perfect Cell.

[up] Where do you get this idea of Nappa being a great and skilled fighter?

edited 2nd Jan '16 3:33:52 PM by Nikkolas

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31889: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:34:27 PM

I don't really like King Kai being weaker than Nappa. Vegeta, fine, but Nappa?

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#31890: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:35:08 PM

@ IANCE: Two Words: Speed Force.

It can do anything. Including rewrite reality.

Flash is even more broken then Superman in that Aspect.

He even outran Death.

edited 2nd Jan '16 3:35:27 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#31891: Jan 2nd 2016 at 3:49:34 PM

I have no idea where you got the idea that I got the idea that Nappa is a great and skilled fighter from anywhere other than the fact that he is:

A) A Saiyan

B) In Freeza's Army

C) Employed under Vegeta directly

D) Old enough to have been an adult when Vegeta exploded

Or, in other words, Nappa is a skilled and experienced fighter because fighting is all that he does, he's been doing it for a long time, and he's working under a very unforgiving asshole that can and will kill him if he's not useful.

[up]Which still doesn't actually make any sense. It doesn't matter how fast you are. Even if you run at infinite speed, you cannot outrun something instantaneous unless it isn't actually instantaneous, at which point the argument becomes moot.

So it's not so much a feat of speed as it is a feat of magic allowing him to get somewhere before he actually set off (which is literally the only way he could possibly outrun the Instant Transmission). So it's not so much Super Speed as it is magic time travel.

edited 2nd Jan '16 3:52:09 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#31892: Jan 2nd 2016 at 4:02:51 PM

See, this shit is why I stay away from comic books. At least good manga is consistent in its nonsense.

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#31893: Jan 2nd 2016 at 4:04:35 PM

[up][up] Its Trans Time, essentially. Running faster then a Planck Length, which is the smallest known unit of distance.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31894: Jan 2nd 2016 at 4:06:05 PM

Flash not only outran Death, he ran Death through the villain, whom Death decided to take instead!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31895: Jan 2nd 2016 at 4:09:14 PM

Which still doesn't actually make any sense. It doesn't matter how fast you are. Even if you run at infinite speed, you cannot outrun something instantaneous unless it isn't actually instantaneous, at which point the argument becomes moot.

The Death that he outran is The Black Flash who is the Anthropomorphic Personification of Death for Speedsters. He sends speedsters back into the Speed force. It may be because when he needs to be, The Flash can outrun anything.

edited 2nd Jan '16 4:10:19 PM by HandsomeRob

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#31896: Jan 2nd 2016 at 4:28:25 PM

"See, this shit is why I stay away from comic books. At least good manga is consistent in its nonsense."

yeah but manga has lolis and moe characters that are sometimes used for fanservice even in the good ones

You mean super hero comics though, right? 'Cause I'm with you there.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#31897: Jan 2nd 2016 at 4:37:10 PM

Instantaneous transmission isn't entirely instantaneous, though. He has to take a pose and concentrate briefly, doesn't he? There's no apparent limit to the distance he can travel in that time but for short distances it might be quicker to just skip that whole thing.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31898: Jan 2nd 2016 at 4:39:15 PM

He doesn't actually need to do the pose at first it was just to help him concentrate and later on it was just used to let the reader know what he was actually doing wasn't just Flash Step.

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#31899: Jan 2nd 2016 at 4:45:13 PM

Yeah, the Instant Kamehameha doesn't have him doing it and he doesn't do it for obvious reasons after he grabs Piccolo and Tenshinhan.

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#31900: Jan 2nd 2016 at 4:51:46 PM

I'm pretty sure there's a brief gap between Goku disappearing and appearing again. "Instantaneous" probably shouldn't be taken totally literally.


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