TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#31776: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:39:42 PM

Ahh. Yeah, that's filler. Yamcha doesn't appear in that sequence at all in the manga. Neither does the assassin.

Yet another example of Toei screwing with the canon. The only time Red Ribbon hires an assassin to kill Goku, it's Tao Pai Pai.

edited 29th Dec '15 4:42:19 PM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#31777: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:53:39 PM

Actually, she wasn't an assassin. She was an expert thief who was hired to steal the Dragon Balls.

Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#31778: Dec 29th 2015 at 4:54:56 PM

My mistake. She still doesn't exist in the manga, though. tongue

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#31779: Dec 29th 2015 at 5:03:28 PM

I don't recall any of that at all so it was probably filler of so little consequence that the latin dubbers didn't even bother translating it. Harsh.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31780: Dec 29th 2015 at 5:04:36 PM

@IANCE I'm not actually sure what you mean, so I don't think I can relay your question. Can you elaborate?

Toriyama knew he was terrible at writing romance so he had it all happen offscreen. This is probably for the best.

I actually don't think this is true at all. He was clearly writing romance between Gohan and Videl and it worked a lot better than his other pairings. The only problem was when he dropped it to focus on the main plot. So... I think his decision to avoid writing it was the bad thing.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31781: Dec 29th 2015 at 5:14:38 PM

Even pre-Z, most of Bulma and Yamcha's interactions made them seem pretty miserable, honestly.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31782: Dec 29th 2015 at 5:19:05 PM

What's this shit about shitting on Classic DB filler? DB had pretty much nothing but good filler, I'll have you know.

It really helped the Red Ribbon Arc by having Silver actually be kinda cool and Violet was pretty neat too. Screw This, I'm Outta Here! with all the moneys while Goku murderrates the rest of the RR was pretty sweet.

edited 29th Dec '15 5:19:40 PM by Nikkolas

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#31783: Dec 29th 2015 at 5:38:38 PM

I don't recall any of that at all so it was probably filler of so little consequence that the latin dubbers didn't even bother translating it. Harsh.

No, they dubbed it. I remember watching it. I also remember it had a particularly badly done instance of dialogue censorship involving a joke about Goku's balls and the Dragon Balls... yeah.

Remember how lamely funny those dialogue censorship hatchjobs were, IANCE? Like when Bulma would complain about Roshi being a 'cheapskate' instead of a pervert, even when the images weren't censored and we claerly saw him groping her...

Toriyama knew he was terrible at writing romance so he had it all happen offscreen. This is probably for the best.

Orrrrr he might have tried to do what good writers do and actually attempted to improve on his weaknesses.

edited 29th Dec '15 5:39:44 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31784: Dec 29th 2015 at 5:48:11 PM

Well no one is ever going to accuse Akira Toriyama of being a particularly good writer.

And I'm not saying he isn't enjoyable, he's just not Shakespeare or whatever.

edited 29th Dec '15 6:10:10 PM by Nikkolas

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#31785: Dec 29th 2015 at 6:57:27 PM

@Saiga Perhaps Toriyama was better at it than he thought.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#31786: Dec 29th 2015 at 7:00:17 PM

Also weird thing, but when Dr. Gero almost killed Bulma and baby Trunks, Future Trunks gets mad at Vegeta and says something like "that's your wife and son".

I don't think Vegeta had ever married Bulma yet if they ever got married that is.

Also this is just after Vegeta figures out Future Trunks is his son and he replies "what about it? I don't care about them" with a grin on his face. It really sounds like Vegeta is trying to troll him.

edited 29th Dec '15 11:45:08 PM by MadSkillz

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31787: Dec 29th 2015 at 8:42:03 PM

What else is he gonna say? "That's your significant other"? Maybe there's a less weird way to say it in Japanese but in English I can't picture an outraged teenager using some other term for a woman who is close to a man intimately.

"That's your woman"? Oh dear, don't even want to get into those implications.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31788: Dec 29th 2015 at 8:46:59 PM

He could say his "lover and child" in that context it would actually be true. And I don't think that would come off as weird in Japanese.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#31789: Dec 30th 2015 at 2:30:30 AM

@Overmaster

Censorship is censorship, and it very rarely is on the translator's insistence. Besides, I don't know what your comment is getting at, considering I've never claimed that the dub was perfect, flawless or anything of the sort.

And we've seen what happens when a writer tries to overextend and write something he's clearly not any good at, I'm rather glad Dragon Ball wasn't ruined by Toriyama writing in romance, because it probably would've been even worse than your average shonen action series' depiction of it. I'm talking UQ Holder levels of bad here.

@Saiga

Well, if they're qualified to answer the question, then they should understand it as it's asked, but in any case, it's actually not that complicated to explain.

There's a few ways for the gacha to roll.

Let's say that the possible results are a common, uncommon, rare, super rare and super secret rare, ignoring the possibility of craft essences, exp cards and stat ups.

What I want to know is whether it rolls for all of them at once, or if it rolls for each of them separately.

Rolling for all of them at once would be assigning a numerical range for each of them and then rolling a 'dice' that covers all of those ranges at the same time.

So it assigns, say, from 1 to 40 you get a common, from 41 to 70 you get an uncommon, for 71 to 90 you get a rare, for 91 to 97 you get a super rare and from 98 to 100 you get a super secret rare.

Meanwhile, rolling for each of them separately would basically assign a numerical range for each of them and then roll ignoring all the other possible results each time.

So it'd roll first for a super secret rare, using a d100, in which getting 1, 2 or 3 would get you a ssr card, and from 4 to 100 it would 'fail'. If the roll 'fail's, the gacha then rolls for the next possible result, so it would roll for a sr card, and so on and so forth.

The funny thing here is that if it's the latter, then there's a very real possibility that would pin the blame right on DW for the Gacha's rates being as bad as they are. If DW fucked it up, then the Gacha would roll for the common cards first, which means that there's a very high chance of getting a rubbish card that completely blocks you from getting a better card.

I'm not actually asking for numbers, per se, though I wouldn't be opposed to getting those aswell, I'm actually more interested in something that might explain why the rates are so bad in practice.

edited 30th Dec '15 2:32:04 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#31790: Dec 30th 2015 at 7:39:43 AM

Orrrrr he might have tried to do what good writers do and actually attempted to improve on his weaknesses.

If "good writers" here has the definition of all the writers who add poorly-written Romantic Plot Tumors that constantly drag down the Works they appear in, I question this usage of "good".

What else is he gonna say? "That's your significant other"? Maybe there's a less weird way to say it in Japanese but in English I can't picture an outraged teenager using some other term for a woman who is close to a man intimately.

"That's your woman"? Oh dear, don't even want to get into those implications.

"Wife", "Significant Other", and just about any other synonym you could use here all have the same problem: they imply the existence of an actual relationship which seems very unlikely for Vegeta and Bulma's relationship at this time. I think Trunks just didn't want to accept that he was conceived by casual sex.

edited 30th Dec '15 7:40:24 AM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#31791: Dec 30th 2015 at 7:49:33 AM

[up]

Heck, it took until Battle of the Gods for Vegeta to even remotely refer to Bulma as his wife (I don't remember him calling her "tsuma" or "okusan" during the Buu saga at all).

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#31792: Dec 30th 2015 at 11:27:37 AM

Basically, TFS actually gave the best response to Trunks freaking out about Vegeta's disregard.

Making a lot of assumptions there.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31793: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:25:53 PM

Given that I found what little development there was for the couples pretty cute I have to say I find it unlikely that it'd be worse than, say, Naruto and its creepy romanticized abuse.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#31794: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:50:04 PM

To be fair, Goku and Chichi have a very unhealthy relationship, too. It only stops short of being abusive because Goku's literally too tough for Chichi to actually be able to abuse him at all, and Chichi's too insane for Goku's emotional abuse to get to her.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#31795: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:51:06 PM

Goku's neglect, I completely agree with, but emotional abuse?

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#31796: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:56:56 PM

Goku is a very cordial husband. Chichi is a total shrew but that's apparently how Sayians like their women.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#31797: Dec 30th 2015 at 2:02:41 PM

Considering it's now canon that Goku gets hot and bothered by his waifu's bitching; one wonders how much of their interactions are solely for their relationship's benefit.

edited 30th Dec '15 2:03:42 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#31798: Dec 30th 2015 at 2:05:03 PM

Goku is a very cordial husband.

In those rare instances where he's around, and not counting the time he accidentally slapped Chi-Chi through a wall, tree, and rock - because that totally was an accident. Even Goku wasn't prepared for the sheer insanity that was his final zenkai.

"I've gotten so strong; I thought I was holding back!"

Though Chi-Chi also rightly points out that, cordial or not, he's a deadbeat husband.

"How long are you going to interfere with Gohan's studies before you're satisfied!? ... You never do ANY work and you NEVER look after Gohan-chan!! Have you EVER made a single PENNY since we got married!?"

edited 30th Dec '15 2:08:19 PM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31799: Dec 30th 2015 at 2:08:33 PM

All and all I'm not sure him being around is so rare. We don't see him around a lot either because of terrible world danger or training, but I've become under the impression he actually does spend plenty of time with his family.

Would he and Vegeta like to spend every waking hour training? Most likely, but I don't think we're supposed to take it as a given they actually do.

Edit: I'd be more sympathetic to the money part if it didn't turn out they apparently never needed money until recently. But from the way thing sounds it seems more like she wants him to work just because that's what husbands are supposed to do than any actual desire for money. Or at least, that was my understanding of their situation until Super, I could b wrong.

Also, not big on the "never look after Gohan" part either. The studies point is dead on though.

edited 30th Dec '15 2:11:37 PM by LSBK

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#31800: Dec 30th 2015 at 2:13:03 PM

Also Goku was given millions by Satan and Chichi spent it all in a week or two.


Total posts: 130,800
Top