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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#31601: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:32:15 AM

He's immortal, aging wise.

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#31602: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:32:40 AM

I think he's like 300 something. But yeah, a phoenix made him immortal. Or he drank this special potion. Something like that.

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#31603: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:33:59 AM

Oh, I was about to say that maybe characters in general just have a crazy long lifespan in general.

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#31604: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:40:55 AM

Bulma should gather the Dragon Balls and wish for youth.

If her mother is any indication, she won't be looking actually old anytime soon.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#31605: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:41:36 AM

I mean, yeah, he either had the immortal phoenix or the elixir of life.

Or both, maybe.

Like, evidently he can still be killed. But he, his sister Baba, Tao Pai Pai, and Master Shen are all old as balls.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#31606: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:51:12 AM

So:

  • Dragon GOD.
  • Dragon GOD exists.
  • Bulma's MILF status actually helped them obtain information... sort of.
  • Bulma just wasted three questions that potentially covered all the secrets of the universe and beyond. To be fair, Jaco wasted his too.
  • The balls are scattered in both universes... there's a joke to be made here.
  • "What part of 'your questions are now finished' did you not understand?[lol]"
  • Goku and Vegeta training together in the ROSAT... this is such a 180' from the Cell arc.
  • ...wait, so the Dragon restored the ROSAT when they wished the Earth back? Meaning, not only did Shenron restore everyone on Earth and fix all the damage... and by damage I mean the battered bits that remained after Buu blew it the f'ck up, he also re-established a connection to a pocket dimension.
    • I mean, I assumed that, kind of like how weighted clothes, fusion, and divine waters became obsolete, Piccolo destroying the door to the ROSAT removed that training option for good. It just seemed kind of 'final' and we never saw the room again. I don't remember it being stated or implied the room was actually restored.
  • VEGETA'S LEFT THIGH LOOKS MUTATED.
  • Aw, they're taking those poses again.
  • Dang, this manga's moving fast.

Wait [down] what are you talking abou...

-reads-

...

...

>_<

^_^

XD

That... that's just precious.

GOKU: Where's Gohan?

VIDEL: He had to attend a meeting (he's got responsibilities you know).

GOKU: That little shi-

  • I'm so confused. We've got Not-Freeza, Ben Affleck, Samurai Pikkon, and Smoky the Bear. But that short girl looks like a Saiyan, but, no tail. MAYBE SHE'S A HUMAN. HUMANS ARE GOING TO GET RESPECT THIS ARC. Unless she goes down first, which is a double loss for powerful females in this franchise and humans. She can't be a Saiyan, wasn't it confirmed all Saiyans died in Champa's universe? Why put Saiyan hair on a human character?

edited 28th Dec '15 9:19:56 AM by Soble

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#31607: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:54:30 AM

The best part of the chapter was Goku calling Gohan a little shit. [lol]

[up]Dude, that's a guy and a Sayian. Pffft. XD

edited 28th Dec '15 9:33:17 AM by Shlugo_the_great

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#31608: Dec 28th 2015 at 8:58:35 AM

Goku and Vegeta training together is an awesome idea.

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#31609: Dec 28th 2015 at 9:23:28 AM

Goku and Vegeta training together is what my 12-year-old mind desperately wanted to happen in the Cell Arc before I got older and realized how completely impossible that would have been. That it's no longer utterly ridiculous to suggest is another testament to Vegeta's growth as a character, much like the Bingo Dance.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#31610: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:41:46 AM

I'm throwing this question around a bit: where would you guys put end-of-series-Goku's strength, if he were fighting at 20 percent?

If you took Goku from the tail-end of the series, at his highest level of power before god forms came into the mix, and then subtracted 80% of that power, where would that place him? Saiyan-saga, Namek saga, Cell Saga?

Asking because of a concept from Bleach, the Shinigami characters have these things called 'Spiritual Limiters', which are designed to reduce a Shinigami's power by 80 percent. "Don't break the world guys."

Now, since Goku and Beerus punching each other was enough to "shake the universe/destroy it", hypothetically, the Soul Society (ruling pantheon in the Bleach universe) would definitely want to slap Goku with one of these things after he became a god. Heck, even a Super Saiyan 3 can tear a hole through dimensions.

The limiters put a cap on spiritual energy, and for sake of argument, Bleach's Reiryoku and Dragonball's Ki are basically the same. So, if Goku agreed to have a limiter placed on him, how much of his power would that seal off? I imagine that's not an easy question, since power levels aren't mentioned after Freeza, but fans have gone farther and farther with the multipliers listed in guidebooks so...

I'm not a mathematician, so my best guess was Goku fighting at 20% of his actual power would keep him from transforming at all. But I can't really be sure.

edited 28th Dec '15 10:42:14 AM by Soble

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#31611: Dec 28th 2015 at 10:45:19 AM

It was a minor mark out for me to see them train together really.

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#31612: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:14:18 AM

[up][up]I'd estimate that he would be stronger than his Android Arc self by a decent amount, but a bit weaker than ROSAT Vegeta.

edited 28th Dec '15 11:15:20 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#31613: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:18:06 AM

Saiga once estimated end-of-series Goku to be at 80 million. Using that number, 20% Goku would have a battle power of:

  • Base: 16 million.
  • SS1: 800 million.
  • SS2: 1.6 billion.
  • SS3: 6.4 billion.

EDIT: Adjusting figures because I lost a 0 somewhere. In any case, that makes him significantly stronger than his final recorded power in the Frieza arc and instead puts him somewhere in the ballpark of the Cell Saga.

edited 28th Dec '15 11:20:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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#31614: Dec 28th 2015 at 11:26:52 AM

If we're going with Beerus Saga Goku, I'd estimate him at 90,000,000 in base so 18,000,000 at 20%.

SS 1: 900,000,000

SS 2: 1,800,000,000

SS 3: 7,200,000,000

so, aside from SS 2 and SS 3, exactly as strong as initial ROSAT Vegeta.

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#31615: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:42:42 PM

I always thought Goku and Vegeta training together was this event that couldn't happen for the universe's sake, because they'd get too powerful if they have just each other to fight off.

I'm not even sure why they're putting that in there. For 3 years, nonetheless. I guess they want to justify them getting even stronger? But without quick power-up methods for everyone else, this tournament is going to be very unbalanced.

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#31616: Dec 28th 2015 at 1:54:07 PM

Well this all but confirms my theory on the tournament: Piccolo and Buu get stomped for not being Saiyans, Red Guy wins a fight to show off his power, Goku and Vegeta clean up everyone else.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#31618: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:17:09 PM

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
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#31619: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:18:31 PM

What, you say that the strong guys will win, while the much weaker ones will not? Preposterous!!!

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#31620: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:20:59 PM

In a team-based tournament setting, "stronger" or "weaker" shouldn't have that much to do with it. Piccolo and Majin Buu might not hold a candle to SSGSS Goku and Vegeta, but they don't have to. They aren't competing against SSGSS Goku and Vegeta. They're competing against whatever opponents the opposing team has that are determined to be in their appropriate weight class.

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#31621: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:22:03 PM

but why would they even bring Piccolo and Buu if they're not doing anything! They might as well just make this a 2 vs 2 tournament! Clearly, that's all people care about seeing Goku and Vegeta amirite

...ok, I'll stop. There's no PROOF they're going to be ignored. But it's par tradition.

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#31622: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:24:17 PM

I half-expect Vegeta to lose his fight, just because that's what Vegeta does. Getting his ass kicked is his entire job in this series.

It would also free up one Loss slot so that either Piccolo or Buu can defeat their foe. Frees them both up if the mysterious new fighter turns out to not be up to snuff after all. It wouldn't be the first time a character was played up as super-awesome and then immediately humbled by the Saiyans; remember Kaioshin's introduction?

edited 28th Dec '15 2:25:13 PM by TobiasDrake

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#31623: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:26:06 PM

I think what they mean is that Piccolo & Buu are going to suffer The Worf Effect to show off the other team's power, because after all, they have to establish the other team as being credible.

So after we learn that Champa's team is actually legit, Red Guy can show off he's no pushover (or that he is a pushover lol) while Goku & Vegeta will win their fights because they're Goku & Vegeta. Really, I can only see the Saiyan or the Frieza looking guy giving either of them trouble and for it to not be stupid.

Alternatively, the Red guy and Buu can job while Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo can clean house.

[up][up] Losing is doing something too ya know, its not like they're on the sidelines being watchers this time. They're active participants.

edited 28th Dec '15 2:27:10 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#31624: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:30:12 PM

I really don't think it's fair to assume Vegeta will win because Plot Armor means he always wins, on account of the fact that Vegeta almost never wins. Winning fights isn't what he's in the show for.

Even his character-shilling temporary surpassing of Goku in Battle of Gods amounted to nothing and he got his shit stomped by Beerus all the same.

edited 28th Dec '15 2:31:43 PM by TobiasDrake

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#31625: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:33:07 PM

Yea, but you're kind of ignoring how Vegeta hasn't been used as the measuring stick ever since the series ended. He's pretty much been elevated where he's performing no worse than Goku under similar circumstances.

They both jobbed to Beerus, and even the latter admitted he found Vegeta to be a better opponent than Goku before the latter got Super Saiyan God, and either of them were capable of kicking Frieza's ass.

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