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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#31351: Dec 18th 2015 at 3:50:02 PM

Goku not surpassing Freeza in base is weird because Sayian and Freeza Sagas made increasing one's power level by orders of magnitude as such an easy thing, but after that it seems it ground to a halt.

Like Goku increase his BP by over ten times in a year and later ten times more in six days, before getting 33x times power up on top of it. After something like that 40x difference doesn't seem like such a huge difference anymore. Heck, Vegeta probably jumped 40x in two zenkais in-between his fight with Reecome and with fourth form Freeza.

Of course the real reason is probably that Toriyama realized that such a power growth curve is unsustainable to the story, canned zenkais and made training returns lower but it still comes of as an inconsistent that Goku increased his power more in a year and two months than he later did in eleven years.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31352: Dec 18th 2015 at 3:51:10 PM

Yeah, that's probably the reason I don't like the Freeza Saga as much as everyone else, seemingly.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31354: Dec 18th 2015 at 3:53:05 PM

NVM.

edited 18th Dec '15 3:54:03 PM by LSBK

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#31355: Dec 18th 2015 at 4:01:58 PM

I just don't pay attention to power levels after the Saiyan Saga.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#31356: Dec 18th 2015 at 4:10:59 PM

Way I see the God forms, Saiyan beyond God is around or at the same level of power that Super Saiyan God is, and Super Saiyan Blue is 50% stronger, mostly to keep the 50 thing the original form had.

Also, Super Saiyan has, and still is, a 50x multiplier, since even Toriyama himself still uses it as the multiplier, if that recent interview is anything to go by.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#31357: Dec 18th 2015 at 4:17:10 PM

My personal Power Level estimations:

100% Freeza: 120,000,000

Android Arc Goku: 5,600,000

Android Arc Piccolo: 70,000,000

20: 55,000,000

19: 45,000,000

Android Arc SS 1 Goku: 280,000,000

Android Arc Vegeta: 6,000,000

Android Arc SS 1 Vegeta: 300,000,000

Android Arc Trunks: 5,000,000

Android Arc SS 1 Trunks: 250,000,000

18: 340,000,000

17: 370,000,000

16: 650,000,000

Inperfect Cell: 320,000,000

Kami Piccolo: 400,000,000

Imperfect Cell: 630,000,000

Semi-perfect Cell: 1,000,000,000

ROSAT Vegeta: 18,000,000

ROSAT SS 1 Vegeta: 900,000,000

ROSAT ASS 1 Vegeta: 1,350,000,000

Perfect Cell 20%: 1,600,000,000

ROSAT Trunks: 20,000,000

ROSAT SS 1 Trunks: 1,000,000,000

ROSAT USS 1 Trunks: 2,000,000,000

Cell Games SS 1 Goku: 3,000,000,000

Cell Games SS 1 Vegeta: 2,300,000,000

Cell Games SS 1 Trunks: 2,100,000,000

Cell Games Piccolo: 1,400,000,000

Perfect Cell 75%: 3,000,000,000

Cell Games SS 1 Gohan: 3,300,000,000

Perfect Cell 90%: 3,600,000,000

Cell Jrs: 2,500,000,000

SS 2 Gohan: 6,600,000,000

Perfect Cell: 4,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 6,300,000,000

edited 18th Dec '15 4:18:57 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#31358: Dec 18th 2015 at 4:29:43 PM

Honestly, I just ignore what the SS multiplier is supposed to be since as soon as someone gets it all power levels are magically adjusted so that everyone's relative position stays roughly equivalent.

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#31359: Dec 18th 2015 at 4:32:17 PM

Well I read a theory on this site that zenkai was a mechanism use to push saiyans towards their super form and that's why they dropped off after it was achieved. Just a fan theory, but I like it.

Anyway, this is just personal opinions on power levels but my first problem with the numbers is that they don't really have well defined scale. There's not much difference between 100,000 and 1,000,000 to the viewer besides the bigger number trumping the latter. My second is that the numbers are so big. They started jumping by the thousands as soon as they were introduced. Why not start with tens, fifteens, hundreds?

I don't mind power level increases themselves, I don't even mind that there are numbers, I just prefer not to know what they are at this point. I think the purpose of the numbers themselves was to demonstrate the relative strengths of Freeza and the rest of his organization. Him at his weakest was four times stronger than the next strongest guy and he had four forms total.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#31360: Dec 18th 2015 at 9:04:40 PM

According to some Japanese tweets a friend showed me, V-Jump showed that Mutchy, Cardinal Mutchy-Mutchy and base form Luud are gonna be in DBH God Mission 6.

Also, apparently the avatars are gonna go God.

No pics yet, but they should be coming soon.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#31361: Dec 18th 2015 at 10:06:47 PM

It always comes back to power levels.

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#31362: Dec 19th 2015 at 5:12:05 AM

Their power is omnipresent, after all.

...come to think of it, how do people who can sense ki not suffocate by this point?

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#31363: Dec 19th 2015 at 5:52:13 AM

I still think of Super Saiyan God as additive.

Saiyan Beyond God is Super Saiyan God plus base.

Super Saiyan Blue is Base times fifty plus Super Saiyan God.

...I mean, if Super Saiyan Blue was SSG plus 50% then that means that Super Saiyan Blue would be 90% of a Beerus. 50% of 6 is 3, 3+6 is 9.

When they're training with Whis in Resurrection F there's a part where Beerus gets mad and nearly owns Goku and Vegeta and they can't even track the attack.

There's a distinct sense that Beerus is still way out of their league.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#31364: Dec 19th 2015 at 7:04:56 AM

Well, duh. Can't have Beerus not being an insufferable Karma Houdini, now, can we?

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#31365: Dec 19th 2015 at 7:14:31 AM

[up]He's a destruction god. I'm pretty sure Karma doesn't apply to him.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#31368: Dec 19th 2015 at 8:49:56 AM

Is that Baby Trunks Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue?

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#31369: Dec 19th 2015 at 8:50:44 AM

No, that's just what Baby Vegeta looks like.

My various fanfics.
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#31370: Dec 19th 2015 at 8:52:01 AM

First form's hair just looked a bit weird,so I got a bit confused.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#31371: Dec 19th 2015 at 8:56:42 AM

Battle of Gods Beerus is still the best, by virtue of being the most likable of the bunch.

I still think he could probably be defeated with a ball of yarn and some shiny silver bells.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#31373: Dec 19th 2015 at 9:43:00 AM

I love weird commercials.

That exists.

edited 19th Dec '15 9:43:18 AM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#31374: Dec 19th 2015 at 9:56:47 AM

They got actually english voice actors too. Nice touch.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#31375: Dec 19th 2015 at 9:57:43 AM

I like how Porunga isn't taking any of Krillin's shit.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

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