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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#31251: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:47:32 PM

Piccolo's the next strongest person available, after Gohan and Buu.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31252: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:53:37 PM

Goku and Vegeta probably didn't want to involve their kids.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#31253: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:55:24 PM

Goten and Trunks haven't been keeping up with their training as much.

Like I'm not even sure if they can go to SS 3 as Gotenks anymore. They certainly didn't use it against Beerus.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#31254: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:55:50 PM

[up]To the Journey To The West reference: If the little red alien spews fire out of his face at any point, than he is 100% Dragon Ball's version of Red Boy, and that would be kind of awesome.

edited 16th Dec '15 6:56:40 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#31255: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:56:23 PM

Piccolo get to be there because he's the one character I think I actually care about.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#31256: Dec 16th 2015 at 6:58:22 PM

Arha's champion.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31258: Dec 16th 2015 at 7:06:29 PM

[up][up]Ah, stupid, delusional Piccolo.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#31259: Dec 16th 2015 at 7:08:02 PM

I don't know, he said he feels alive. That sounds about right to me. He also thinks it's a miracle. How else can you describe his power level going up about 100x what it was?

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#31260: Dec 16th 2015 at 7:13:43 PM

Piccolo needs to pass me one of his joints

This scene kills me. So wtf.

How else can you describe his power level going up about 100x what it was?

He trained for 4 months days.

edited 16th Dec '15 7:16:18 PM by MadSkillz

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#31261: Dec 16th 2015 at 9:12:44 PM

Wasn't the Red Boy Sun Wukong's greatest rival in Journey to the West?
I didn't even make the connection until this post.

The position of his greatest rival is disputed between The Red Boy and the Nine Headed Monster, the difference being the former performs a(forced) Heel–Face Turn but the latter does not. I'm surprised to see him introduced before the three kings of the cave or the rhino kings. The Sorting Algorithm of Evil suggest they should show up first as enemies who were able to beat Sun Wukong by ganging up on him, Then The Black Wind Demon, who was equal to Sun Wukong in singles combat but out smarted, then either The Red Boy who was beat him one on one or The Nine Headed Monster who could only be driven away when Sun Wukong teamed up with a god and his dog.

I guess the yellow bear could be the black wind demon though, and since The Red Boy lives in universe seven he might be the rival who finally succeeds Vegeta. Buu at the forefront is a promising sign too.

edited 16th Dec '15 9:14:02 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31262: Dec 16th 2015 at 11:50:15 PM

Are there actually any stakes in this fight?

They say in the manga version that they aren't. Which makes sense as to why they don't ask Gohan - this is purely being done for fun and ego. Probably the same reason the kids weren't considered.

The whole "Piccolo was chosen over the kids because he's stronger FOR SURE" is laughable because Gotenks is so far above Piccolo it isn't funny. And we haven't been given any information that would rule him out as a possibility - anyone he couldn't beat in 5 minutes as a Super Saiyan 3 would annihilate Piccolo, and even as a Super Saiyan 1 with his 30 minute time limit he's still way stronger.

So if they were ranking things on power, Gotenks would come right after Gohan was written off. Any other reason to rule out Gotenks could be used to rule out the individual boys, because they're both as stupid and reckless as Gotenks is.

Therefore, Piccolo being chosen doesn't support him being stronger than the boys, and we're not told by they or Gotenks weren't considered. Given that they didn't train during the peace time either, they're probably in the same boat as Gohan in that this wouldn't interest them.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31263: Dec 17th 2015 at 12:25:59 AM

Gotenks wouldn't really be practical for a tournament fight anyway.

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#31265: Dec 17th 2015 at 3:08:16 AM

It would depend on how they're going about it. I could easily see Champa being the time to go "This guy doesn't count because he's made from two people!" or something. And if you're going on an individual level, Goten and Trunks seem like a set, they don't like using one without the other so neither goes. Also apparent lack of interest.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31267: Dec 17th 2015 at 7:25:09 AM

[up][up][up]I guess because of the time limit on fusion, but that wouldn't matter for 2 reasons

  1. Gotenks could still win before his time limit is up, no matter what Super Saiyan level he is.

  2. Gotenks loses only because his opponent is powerful enough to outlast the fusion, which only means a loss that Piccolo would have also suffered in the same situation.

edited 17th Dec '15 8:32:11 AM by VeryMelon

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#31268: Dec 17th 2015 at 7:32:55 AM

Ok, let's figure out who's gonna job and who's gonna actually have a decent showing. Or is Toriyama just gonna make these gag fights....I'd probably prefer that.

Narrative conventions in tournament arc storytelling suggest that 2 out of 5 fighters on Beerus's side will lose.

Because it'd be anticlimactic if Beerus's team just won the first three rounds and then the other two fighters on each side didn't ever do anything.

Unless this is an elimination tournament where instead of clean matches with a winner being declared as whoever wins 3 out of 5 rounds, fighters can continue to compete until they lose. Then it's certain that everyone except Goku will be defeated eventually, but some might win a match or two before elimination.

I could very easily see Vegeta jobbing.

One might even say it's his job.

Are there actually any stakes in this fight?

Gohan, is that you?

I figure there are going to be some stakes later on. Like, Beerus is going to blow up the Earth if they lose or something.

Probably. Before Raditz landed, Toriyama loved to have tournament arcs with small-scale stakes. The stakes of the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai were that if Goku wins, he might become complacent, get bored of studying martial arts, and just become confident that he has all the strength and doesn't need to keep practicing. A hybrid of Vegeta and Gohan, basically. In a sense, Goku was sort of the antagonist of the 21st tournament, with the focus being on Kame-sennin trying to overcome his immense power for the fate of his future.

The 22nd's stakes revolved around Tien's fate, whether he would become a merciless assassin like Tao Pai Pai or be redeemed by Goku's pure love of fighting.

The 23rd's stakes were about Piccolo wanting revenge.

Even the Cell Games, while technically being about Cell's threat to blow up the Earth, were really more about Cell's ego than anything else. Frankly, I don't see why the Earth has to be in danger in order to sit back and enjoy another Dragon Ball tournament arc.

I guess because of the time limit on fusion, but that wouldn't matter for 2 reasons.

As a consequence of the time limit, I would expect any reasonable tournament organizer to disqualify Fused characters on grounds of being two people. If it's single 1v1 matchups, that's cheating.

Because the Fusion Dance is not a permanent power boost or absorption but is, instead, a conjoined technique that temporarily turns two fighters into one fighter, it's difficult to justify allowing both fighters to compete in a 1v1 match.

edited 17th Dec '15 7:35:03 AM by TobiasDrake

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31269: Dec 17th 2015 at 7:34:16 AM

Gotenks would technically be 2 against 1 and Champa might call bullshit on that.

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#31270: Dec 17th 2015 at 7:36:09 AM

And here I though people would be happy that some non Sayians got on the team, given how often they complain about everyone else getting shafted.

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#31271: Dec 17th 2015 at 7:37:05 AM

Right.

I can see allowing Goten and Trunks to take up two fighter slots but they would have to fight individually, not fused. If Piccolo is stronger than either of them is individually, he's a superior choice.

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#31272: Dec 17th 2015 at 7:52:03 AM

Info on DBH God Mission 6 is coming!

New things confirmed are:

  • Card Action Ability: Triple Team (God Mission 5's was Double)
  • TIME PATROL GOTEN
  • TP GOTEN CAN FUSE WITH TP TRUNKS AND BECOME TIME PATROL GOTENKS

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#31273: Dec 17th 2015 at 7:53:13 AM

[up][up][up] Dragon Ball fans are never happy unless its Goku & Vegeta beating someone up.

[up] Ew, they gave him his GT Haircut.

edited 17th Dec '15 7:54:17 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31274: Dec 17th 2015 at 8:17:38 AM

Assuming Gotenks wouldn't be allowed because Champa would complain about him being two two people is a better reason not to use him than the idea of the fusion dance itself being impractical.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31275: Dec 17th 2015 at 10:12:16 AM

It is impractical, especially if they wore forced to use SS 3, decreasing the fusion time further.

I dunno, it makes sense they wouldn't pick a temporary fusion for their team . Especially since might instantly be disqualified if they unfuse before finishing the fight.

[up]×3

Where would Time Patrol Goten be from? He can't be from Future Trunk's timeline.

edited 17th Dec '15 10:14:18 AM by Cortez


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