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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#31051: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:23:09 PM

[up]x3: Y'know, we have a trope for both of those.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31052: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:24:20 PM

I have a question.

Is Freeza's name in Japanese "フリーザー"?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31053: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:26:03 PM

I really don't see why Goten and Trunk being stronger than Piccolo is a big deal.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31054: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:28:55 PM

[up] Because two newbie Saiyans being stronger than a fully realized Namekian is like the ultimate Saiyan favoritism. tongue

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#31055: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:29:03 PM

[up][up]Well, it's basically 'cuz Piccolo is getting upstaged by Goten and Trunks. At least that's what I think.

edited 13th Dec '15 4:29:16 PM by BaffleBlend

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31056: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:30:25 PM

I like Goten and Trunks. I just don't think it makes much sense for them to be stronger than Piccolo.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31058: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:32:19 PM

[up][up]Agreed.

None of the other Saiyans were as strong as Goten and Trunks when they were their ages.

[up]Huh, cool.

edited 13th Dec '15 4:32:47 PM by BaconManiac5000

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#31059: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:33:52 PM

@Bacon: Yes. That's why certain translations spell it "Frieza" even though that's just how the Japanese pronounce the English word "Freezer" (although no one could take him seriously with that name so they go with "Freeza" instead).

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31060: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:34:42 PM

[up]That's funny, because that's also Articuno's Japanese name.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31061: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:35:07 PM

Gohan was stronger than both Goku & Vegeta when all of them were young, Goten & Trunk following that tradition isn't out there. Why doesn't it make sense?

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#31062: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:35:39 PM

[up][up][up][up] Goten and Trunks are also Super Saiyans. What doesn't make sense though is that their base forms are so strong that multiplying their strength by 50 can make it so they're stronger than Buu.

But I think Toriyama hand-waved as half-blooded Saiyans are much stronger than full-blooded Saiyans especially the ones born without tails like Goten and Trunks. But they also lack the lust for battle so they'll end up never realizing their potential.

edited 13th Dec '15 4:36:12 PM by MadSkillz

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31063: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:36:53 PM

Ugh, why do I ever try applying logic to Dragon Ball?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31064: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:37:50 PM

There is logic, its just logic you don't like :V

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31065: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:38:06 PM

Saiyans have some weird Lamarckian stuff going on, at least when it comes to strength.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31066: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:38:41 PM

Handwaving something doesn't mean it's logical.

There's really no reason being born without a tail makes you stronger other than Toriyama says so.

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#31067: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:39:23 PM

I get that they're "supporting characters" but I wouldn't be really using them as in "support Goku in his conflict". Gohan is a superhero, he should be getting into plenty of conflict on his own. Krillen is a police officer, Yamucha a body guard, Majin Buu a world renowned martial artist, Piccolo the guardian of Earth's god, Tien a hermit, because we all can't be winners.

I'm not saying the whole manga or however Dragon Ball continues on should just be about their various adventures, but it'd be nice every once and while to see them have an interesting day at work. And I'd give them challenges they don't solve in mere seconds just to establish World of Badass. That's something that's been seriously lacking in the series ever since the Ginyu's were offed. We've had hints of it in Yo, Son Goku And His Friends Return, Battle Of Gods and Revival Of F but it's only slightly surged back as Goku/Vegeta have so few credible enemies now.

And I'm fine with Goku/Vegeta being a weight class too high to be bothered most of the time. Establishing things that can make the rest of the cast sweat would go a long way towards making Dragon Ball feel like the awesome fight world where awesome fights could be happening at any given moment if you look in the right place at the right time. A world you believe would motivate you to want to get better, stronger, every day.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#31068: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:39:32 PM

I like to think forms are inherited.

Pan is always in Mystic Form and Bra is always in Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan form.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31069: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:39:39 PM

Then explain why isn't it logical? What is it contradicting.

edited 13th Dec '15 4:39:54 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#31070: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:41:09 PM

I always thought Goten and Trunks were born with tails and Chi-Chi and Bulma just insisted on removing them.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31071: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:41:37 PM

Well, from what we've observed, having a tail does nothing other than allow you to transform into an Oozaru, but it's not like that's logical either.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31072: Dec 13th 2015 at 5:53:49 PM

On the subject of Oozarus, did you know some believe that Vegeta was originally going to be the Final Boss of the series? Reasons include the fact that, at the end of the Piccolo Jr. arc, Master Roshi breaks the fourth wall to say the story will continue "for a little while," and that the power behind Vegeta (Frieza) isn't mentioned until after Vegeta's been beaten. Thoughts?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#31073: Dec 13th 2015 at 6:14:25 PM

Me?

I think that's just Toriyama not really planning ahead.

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#31074: Dec 13th 2015 at 6:16:26 PM

Maybe he wrote in a way that would allow him to end the story after each arc if he wanted without it feeling incomplete.

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#31075: Dec 13th 2015 at 6:22:31 PM

Watching Cell Saga really feels like it was meant to be the end.

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