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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31026: Dec 13th 2015 at 10:40:19 AM

Could you give an example of one like that?

Now see, I don't know ones that do it well...or at least ones that don't serve a purpose beyond just being fight fodder. Almost every Shonen series I watch has no other purpose for a Quirky Mini Boss Squad beyond just having more flashy fights.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#31027: Dec 13th 2015 at 10:41:52 AM

POPCORN, GET YER POPCORN! CAN'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT POWER LEVELS, MINI-BOSS SQUADS, AND YUYU HAKUSHO BEING THROWN IN FOR NO REASON WITHOUT POPCORN!

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31028: Dec 13th 2015 at 10:42:13 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]Wow, he's a wreck. That is slightly humorous to me because of all the bitching that will come from it.

[up]You missed your chance for that to be funny. Better luck next time.

edited 13th Dec '15 10:42:46 AM by LSBK

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#31029: Dec 13th 2015 at 10:47:36 AM

GOD DAMN IT.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#31030: Dec 13th 2015 at 10:48:42 AM

So Vegeta went Five-for-Five with the Ginyu Force afterall. [lol]

edited 13th Dec '15 10:48:58 AM by Lionheart0

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#31031: Dec 13th 2015 at 11:05:33 AM

It's funny how Goku sends away Goten and Trunks because it's no place for them when he once put the fate of universe on them with utmost confidence.

Also apparently it's okay for Krillin to stay even though he's thousand times weaker than them.

And Bulma who's a civilian.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31032: Dec 13th 2015 at 11:08:28 AM

To be fair, at that time he thought they were the best chance to actual save the world (well, besides him just doing it again...) in this situation, that does not seem to be the case.

As for the other though, you got me. I suppose you could just say Bulma wouldn't listen anyway.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31033: Dec 13th 2015 at 11:09:27 AM

Good QMB that were effectively used in the story?

Rurouni Kenshin and the Juppongatana maybe?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#31034: Dec 13th 2015 at 11:28:12 AM

The fight with the Juppongatana is a completely different beast than, say, the good guys VS the Ginyu Force.

After all, unlike Goku, Kenshin can't make it halfway across the planet in a couple of seconds to interrupt the fight and instantly win it for his side, and he's not so much stronger than everyone else on his side that their presence is actually detrimental to him - Sanosuke and Saito are, while not quite at his level, close enough that they can actually be considered to be in the same ballpark. By contrast, Goku, and sometimes Vegeta, are in a wholly different ballpark altogether, so any enemy that would be defeatable by the rest of the cast would be a joke to them. So much so that it would probably not even interrupt their fight with the big guy.

Put simply, the idea of having a Quirky Miniboss Squad for the support cast to defeat falls apart because the difference in power between the support cast and the main fighter is so astronomically huge that it doesn't make any sense and requires a LOT of forced circumstances in order to be used.

edited 13th Dec '15 11:29:25 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#31035: Dec 13th 2015 at 11:29:33 AM

I've been keeping an eye on the "rename Kepler-22b to Namek" petition, and it's creeping along at a steady rate of about 1,000 new signatures a day now.

It at 123,000 right now, which means it still needs 27,000 more to reach its goal.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31036: Dec 13th 2015 at 11:51:03 AM

Damn, somone already brought Kenshin; that was literally who I thought of.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#31037: Dec 13th 2015 at 2:41:16 PM

The only real Quirky Miniboss Squad in Dragon Ball was the Ginyu Force. And 4/5 of them were taken out by Goku. And then Vegeta killed them because he felt like it. Really, that entire segment was more of a way to justify Zenkai boosts than anything to do with the supporting cast.

The more I look at it, the more I realise Dragon Ball was never about trying to use its cast efficiently. At least, not in a pure fighting format. We look at One Piece, or Yu Yu Hakusho, or Naruto, and see supporting cast members there with their own unique skills and abilities, but...Dragon Ball was never trying to do that.

The supporting cast was there for their character interactions. Not really for their fighting skills. Or for screentime.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31038: Dec 13th 2015 at 2:44:59 PM

Vegeta beat Jeice by himself and Goku wasn't even there for Guldo. Ginyu was more of a team effort but for unconventional reasons. Saying that Goku took out 4/5 of the Ginyu's isn't exactly right.

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#31039: Dec 13th 2015 at 2:51:45 PM

Ah, right. Forgot about Jeice.

But either way, the only reason there was 5 members was to drag out the fights for a while. They were never trying to do the usual "let's have each supporting cast member take on one Ginyu Force member".

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#31040: Dec 13th 2015 at 2:52:07 PM

Goku really only took out Recoome, after being badly worn down, and Burter.

Captain Ginyu was more a team effort. Or rather Vegeta destroying Goku-Ginyu and then Goku throwing a frog to interrrupt the "Chaaaaaange".

Jeice and Guldo were all Vegeta.

So you could see it as Goku taking out one half of the Ginyu force and Vegeta taking out the other half but getting all the kills.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31041: Dec 13th 2015 at 3:26:56 PM

See, the thing is I never particularly saw the supporting characters as having any particularly notable abilities or at least notably interesting ones. I don't think we're missing much by letting them fight.

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#31043: Dec 13th 2015 at 3:36:28 PM

I wouldn't mind that.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31044: Dec 13th 2015 at 3:46:16 PM

At the very least, the upcoming Tournament Arc in the Super manga will let him and a few other non-Goku & Vegeta characters shine for once.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31045: Dec 13th 2015 at 3:54:06 PM

[up]

Toriyama does like Piccolo, so that's true.

And he's pretty unique in the universe. Super aside, being stronger than him is an incredible feat in and of itself.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31046: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:05:20 PM

Its amazing how he gets to be apart of the tournament, yet Gohan, Goten, and Trunks aren't despite being vastly stronger than him.

Not that I'm complaining, its just lol to me.

edited 13th Dec '15 4:05:51 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#31047: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:07:57 PM

Talking about the importance of the side characters reminds me of one Tumblr post I saw one time;

"I love how Goku is the most powerful character in DBZ and he’s also the main hero, but he has no original attacks; all the techniques he uses in the show he learned from his masters or friends. It shows that despite his talent for battling, he wouldn’t be as powerful and as effective in battle as he is without the help and guidance of his friends and masters. It makes it seem as though he has a part of them with him in battle, helping him defeat those who threaten him and his loved ones.”

(Source. Link is to a reblog since the original blog no longer exists.)

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31048: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:15:06 PM

I still don't like Piccolo being weaker than Goten and Trunks. I'd like to think Piccolo was referring to their greater potential (i.e. in a video game, do you use the character you've already maxed out or the one you haven't maxed yet but has better stat growths?) but I realize there's very little evidence.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31049: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:17:29 PM

Well, when Gotenks defused in Buu, he took on Piccolo's appearance, so there's that.

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#31050: Dec 13th 2015 at 4:21:32 PM

[up][up] To answer your aside, that depends entirely upon what game I'm playing, whether or not the higher stats are worth the extra effort, and if the lower leveled character can even survive the fight.

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