Goku for Smash Bros. DLC
I like Gine far more than Hanasia. The latter reeks of somebody trying to justify why Goku became so strong despite being lower class. The former is more in-line with the idea of "Goku became strong because of his attitude and the choices he made in his life".
As for the characters themselves... Hanasia is just like every other Saiyan we ever saw. Gine actually brings some rare world-building into Dragonball, a reminder that a Proud Warrior Race includes more than just proud warriors.
Yeah, see I don't buy Values Dissonance. Zenjo dropped the 'retire at 25' policy twenty years ago. It's been obsolete longer than most users of this site have been alive and more importantly, longer than most of shonen demographic has been alive. Toriyama, being much older than 25, he could be of an older mindset rejected by most of Japan but everyone at Shonen Jump and TOEI too? The Matsunaga brothers were also much older than 25.
I'm not implying everyone offended with 18's shafting in Revival Of F and Super is stupid, you're not. But 18 was a house wife in the manga too. It didn't stop her from kicking around Goten and Trunks. It really shouldn't stop her from doing anything besides earning a steady income, I guess.
And I won't lie when and say Gine wasn't a disappointment to me, but it's not one I mind much. She's not just a housewife. She also has a job in the meat industry. She's not a blood knight but she's still not a beacon of goodness either. She's something I can believe, if not necessarily like. Goku's portrayal in Dragon Ball Minus is more irritating to me.
edited 10th Dec '15 10:36:02 AM by IndirectActiveTransport
Buldogue's lawyerI mean, by the Buu saga, 18 was usually fighting if there was money involved. Hell, all her fighting scenes in Bio-Broly started with her pushing Mr. Satan for more money to give her.
That being said, I really wish she'd get a chance to fight again. Get it together Toriyama, damn it!
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?edited 10th Dec '15 12:47:39 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Kame-sennin is a horny old man. Linoleum probably makes him pop a senzu.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.You guys actually thought that pop a senzu was an Unusual Euphemism for a Raging Stiffie?

Really well and highly beloved for the many changes they made to the typical "How you write Superman" formulas, with a fanbase steadily abandoning it once DC started trying to rein it in and bring it more in-line with popular notions of the canon?
edited 10th Dec '15 9:28:44 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.