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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#30476: Dec 7th 2015 at 6:28:03 AM

It can be hard to keep it up when stressed. It's just sad to see it hit Gohan at such a young age.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#30477: Dec 7th 2015 at 6:41:06 AM

Hey, you try keeping a stable power level when you have a wife and kid. Why else was Goku beaten so badly by Raditz?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#30478: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:03:17 AM

Because Radish was just stronger.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#30479: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:37:54 AM

This is HILARIOUSLY awkwardly written. "Hey! This Dragon Ball Super animu is real popular and apparently counts as news! Read this one reaction article about the latest episode and nothing else and write something solely based off of that!"

edited 7th Dec '15 7:39:27 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30480: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:40:55 AM

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According to Roshi, Goku had actually gotten stronger since he beat Piccolo when they all met up at the beginning of the Saiyan arc.

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#30481: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:45:17 AM

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He did?

Huh...

I'm trying to make a joke about how raising kids is a pain in the ass and that's why Gohan is so much weaker, but now I realize he really does have no excuse if Goku was still able to train.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#30482: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:47:14 AM

Gohan just has no drive to be stronger without a threat as motivation. There's nothing wrong with that, as the vast majority of the population agree with him.

edited 7th Dec '15 7:47:24 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#30483: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:49:14 AM

You know, if seeing Piccolo take the bullet for him again doesn't motivate Gohan to start training again it means that Toriyama really had given up on him completely. This episode could serve a purpose if it was to motivate Gohan to get his ass back into gear, but if not then eh.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#30484: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:49:32 AM

The problem is that he still expects to be able to do shit whenever another problem inevitably comes up, it seems.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30485: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:50:44 AM

[up][up][up]The vast majority of the population is also ignorant to all the terrible things in the universe and how often their planet has actual come to being destroyed.

Edit: I admit there's nothing wrong with him not wanting to be a fighter but your point doesn't really support whether he should or not.

edited 7th Dec '15 7:51:43 AM by LSBK

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#30486: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:55:51 AM

Goku loves violence. It's not just in his genes, it's his identity. His nature and nurture together. It's been his passion since he was twelve years old and he's had a ton of great experiences with it.

Vegeta loves violence. Again, it's not just his Saiyan genes, it's his identity. He was a conqueror. A warlord. Raised in an environment where being the strongest killer was encouraged and disobedience harshly punished. He was shaped from the ground up to be the ultimate warrior and he loves every moment of it.

Gohan was traumatized at an early age. Abridged Future Gohan summarizes this very well:

  • GOHAN: When I was four years old, my uncle kidnapped me. Then Mr. Piccolo killed him and my father. Then some more Saiyans came and Mr. Piccolo died, and all of our friends died. Then we went to Namek where some more people died. And now everyone else is dying.
  • TRUNKS: ...but it was better, right?
  • GOHAN: No.

That's Gohan's experience with violence. He never got the fun days of sparring with your best friends and fighting in tournaments. Violence is something that just started happening to him at an early age. His father died. Tien, Chiaotzu, Yamcha, and Piccolo died. Loads of Namekians died. Krillin died. For Gohan, when violence happens, people suffer and people die and no part of it is enjoyable.

So he'll do the violence if he has to, but he detests it. He can't fathom Goku and Vegeta's love of violence because, as far as he's concerned, violence is a thing that bad people bring into his life and people always die because of it. And, as a consequence, he doesn't have the drive to get super-good at violence either.

Given a choice, Gohan would pick a life of peace where nobody has to do violence ever again. There would be no Super Saiyan warriors or Ultimate power-ups or genocide empires or Fusion Dances or homicidal bio-androids. Everyone would just work together in peace and be happy.

edited 7th Dec '15 7:58:56 AM by TobiasDrake

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30487: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:58:01 AM

[up]I'm pretty sure Gohan knows exactly why Goku loves fighting because it's not just about "violence" and characterizing it as such for him, and I think latter on Vegeta, is wrong.

He may not feel the same way but that doesn't mean he doesn't understand.

edited 7th Dec '15 8:16:03 AM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#30488: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:12:24 AM

He didn't mind being a superhero or competing in a tournament.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#30489: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:19:52 AM

The vast majority of the population in Real Life agrees with him.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30490: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:26:56 AM

That is not at all a fair comparison.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#30491: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:31:09 AM

I think Gohan might like fighting more in controlled circumstances.

Like, it's still not his favorite thing, but. He doesn't hate it either.

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#30492: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:35:56 AM

Not liking violance is fine. Not being able to defend yourself, you loved ones, and your home is not.

Gohan might not like training, but one would think he likes getting tortured and helplessly watching his mentor take the attack meant for him a lot less than that.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#30493: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:46:41 AM

...That's a very weird standard of morality.

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#30494: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:52:24 AM

How so?

  • Hates violence
    • Hates violence towards self
    • Hates violence towards family and friends
  • Exception: inflict violence on offenders of the previous two

Simple enough.

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#30495: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:53:11 AM

This is what law enforcement is for. Besides, Gohan is still the strongest non-Goku and Vegeta (and maybe Buu) character in existence.

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#30496: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:54:04 AM

Huh? Gohan dislike of fighting has nothing to do with morals, it's just trauma - 99% of his experience with fighting is getting pummeled by people much stronger than himself. I don't think he actually won a fight until Cell games. What he doesn't realize is that not training ensures that this trend will continue into the future as well.

[up]That's the difference between Gohan situation and real people. He has no safety net of law enforcement to protect him, when someone shows up to pick a fight it's him and people close to him that put their necks on the line.

edited 7th Dec '15 8:56:23 AM by Shlugo_the_great

Majinangelo Since: Oct, 2015
#30497: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:58:26 AM

I think Gohan trying to balance his desire to be strong enough to protect his friends and family and his peaceful life would be an interesting arc. However I also think it'd be pointless if Gohan gets slightly stronger just to be worfed over and over again. Yes, it would have made sense for Gohan to keep training whenever he has time but if it amounts to Gohan not catching up because he can't spend his entire time training the result is more or less the same at the end of the day.

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#30498: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:59:40 AM

Isn't that the exact arc that's been happening? Are we watching the same series?

Majinangelo Since: Oct, 2015
#30499: Dec 7th 2015 at 9:03:19 AM

Well he clearly chose to live a peaceful life and reality ensued to him in the latest episodes. But I'm not sure it will lead to something substential and for now I'm not sure I see the point.

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#30500: Dec 7th 2015 at 9:07:40 AM

Gohan only became a superhero because he has the advanced senses to pickup on West City's crime and couldn't sit back and listen to it happen. Even then, it was a contrived coincidence that he'd arrive just as a car jacking was taking place and even more contrived the by standards who happened to catch his actions also went to his school.

Superhero was just a way to hide his identity in case it happened again and, later, a way to keep this strange girl he has conflicted feelings about safe. Granted, it have been nice to see him come to love being a superhero, for whatever reason, but we never got to that point because the plot took a 180. He's still being a superhero though, so that could have been ripe ground for super to explore, had TOEI not decided redoing the movies was more interesting.

The tournament was, again, something this strange girl dragged him into and something he really only accepted because his dad only had one day left in the living world and he knew he was into that sort of thing.

And Piccolo taking the bullet for him may very well not inspire Gohan to train again, simply because the rehashing of movie material is just padding until Toriyama can get his storyboards together. He's ignored TOEI's innovations before and though this probably wouldn't be the best time to continue that tradition, he just might.

And just because their are people in real life who don't believe in training every day in hopes to exceed their limits doesn't disqualify that their are real life athletes, soldiers and such who do. And then, most people in real life still believe in maintaining some degree of fitness even if they aren't necessarily trying to better themselves. Gohan, as a new father, has ample motivation, less he find himself worn out by a stubby legged girl.

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