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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#30401: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:08:59 PM

Yo Son Goku And His Friends Return isn't canon, is it?

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#30402: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:10:24 PM

I think it is, but I'm not entirely sure.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#30403: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:23:03 PM

It's cannon to the movies, but dunno about Super.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#30404: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:26:43 PM

Movies as in all the movies or BOG/ROF?

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#30406: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:34:18 PM

You mean the latter?

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#30407: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:35:55 PM

The latter what?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#30408: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:37:25 PM

You spelled it "the letter" when you mean "the latter".

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#30409: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:38:31 PM

You spent way too much effort just to point out that I made a typo.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#30410: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:40:52 PM

I figured you knew what I was talking about.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#30411: Dec 6th 2015 at 12:44:00 PM

So I guess the new Dragon Ball material didn't start out good, huh?

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#30412: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:26:36 PM

I watched the new episode. It was pretty terrible. Even putting aside Tagoma surpassing Piccolo from four months of being a punching bag, we get Gotenks showing up for one stupid gag attack and immediately unfusing, Ginyu somehow being able to release full power of Tagoma body, Gohan being so weak he can't even hold a transformation for long and Piccolo having to take a shot for Gohan after he told him last episode he's not a kid anymore.

This is really badly written and put together. I hope we get to new material soon, so we at least won't have a superior movie version to compare it to.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#30414: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:30:23 PM

Yeah, it was pretty bad.

Gotenks was poorly used, Ginyu has been poorly used so far, Gohan got shat on again, and Piccolo amounted to pretty much nothing, even when he should have at least been able to do something.

edited 6th Dec '15 1:30:42 PM by BaconManiac5000

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#30415: Dec 6th 2015 at 1:30:29 PM

Yep Pretty terrible. The movie version was somewhat simplistic and had few stupid moments, but at least it had some awesome action and didn't feel bogged down. This has much more questionable writing and no even good action to distract from that.

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#30416: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:01:19 PM

They took a mediocre movie and made it worse.

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#30417: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:01:29 PM

This is why I'm saying to wait and see how the next story arc goes. The problem seems to be in that they're adapting two movies. When we get to the next arc, it'll be adapting something completely different that I feel deserves to be adapted.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30418: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:23:22 PM

It wasn't that bad at all and you don't know what Tagoma's species is like, so you can't really claim that him getting stronger than Piccolo is improbable.

This being Dragon ball, i'd say it's perfectly believable. Especially since Piccolo has been stuck in the same power level for years now.

And i disagree the episode was pretty good and Trunks and Goten unfusing after their attack because they foolishly decided to fuse way to early is perfectly in character.

And Ginyu tapping into Tagoma's power makes sense. It is not the same as when Goku's body.

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#30419: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:28:12 PM

I'm actually tempted to skip this one, since it seems nothing of importance will be lost.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#30420: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:34:59 PM

Yeah, now that I think about it, nothing important happened in that episode, other than getting Ginyu back.

And that's probably going to amount to nothing.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#30421: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:36:40 PM

Ginyu couldn't use Goku's power because most of it was locked behind the Kaioken. As he got used to Goku's body, he actually increased his powerlevel little by little. Unfortunately, Goku's natural power was by then lower than Vegeta's, even though he would've wiped the floor with Vegeta's face using Kaioken, so even if Ginyu had managed to get all 100% of Goku's power out of the body, we wouldn't have known due to him being so much weaker than Vegeta without the Kaioken.

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#30422: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:38:24 PM

No, you miss the point. Raditz could conquer our Earth. He could conquer Dragon Ball Earth given Piccolo could do it.

The thing is, if a planet is already part of Freeza's empire it isn't like Earth, it's going to be full of fighters whose job it is to exterminate planets like Earth of visible life so Freeza can sell them to the highest bidder. When you want an idea of what Freeza's planets will be like, you look at Planet Vegeta. Could Raditz conquer that? No. It's unlikely any single fighter could conquer much because once Freeza is removed from the equation, no one battle power dwarfs any other to such a drastic degree.

Now, establishing that Freeza's planets are full of warriors, do you assume Vegeta was an anomaly, the only one feeling workplace discontent? Even if there are not planets full of warriors who hated Freeza, you had better believe there were some ambitious bastards ready to put their own Freeza disapproved plans into action and some independent types who simply don't appreciate being told what to do. You also have to consider that both times we see Jaco he's trying to disrupt the activities of the Planet Trade Organization. If the Galactic Patrol is cool with screwing up Freeza's external operations while he's alive, I imagine they're more than happy to help dissolve his extermination corps after he's dead.

With all that to consider, it's no surprise the mutants interested in keeping Freeza's empire together were losing.

edited 6th Dec '15 2:39:42 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30423: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:38:52 PM

It will, he'll finally die and Tagoma will be the one stuck as a frog.

What did you expect, he obviously wasn't going to live long. I'm just glad Vegeta can now claim he killed the Ginyu Force himself.

Since he was technically the one that killed the others.

[up] [up] Exactly, with Tagoma's body, that isn't a problem.

edited 6th Dec '15 2:40:11 PM by Cortez

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#30424: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:42:39 PM

That does really amount to nothing, because as far as we knew, he was already dead and now that he'll be killed shortly, nothing will have changed.

edited 6th Dec '15 2:42:49 PM by BaconManiac5000

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#30425: Dec 6th 2015 at 2:45:05 PM

I feel Ginyu will try to take Vegeta or Goku's body again after they arrive and go Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and then get stuck in the frog again.

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