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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#30176: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:14:36 PM

Eh, more like half of slug person.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#30177: Dec 2nd 2015 at 5:17:33 PM

Aw, dammit!

I liked it better when I was a demon...

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#30178: Dec 2nd 2015 at 6:45:54 PM

Well, I liked it better when I had proper bladder control.

Nobody's perfect.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30179: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:08:34 PM

[up]

Well, that was odd.

One Strip! One Strip!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#30180: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:09:17 PM

Sounds like something Roshi would say. I mean, how does over 300 years of age affect a turtle man's bladder, anyways?

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#30181: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:25:16 PM

Anyway, having the Dragons trying to "take back" the wish does make more sense than what GT did from a "bad karma" perspective.

If evil actions created bad karma and undoing the "consequences" of those actions left bad karma around without the attachment and it had to go "somewhere", it would make most sense for the physical form of that bad karma to take it back wouldn't it?

My whole problem with trying to use "karma" to justify overuse of the dragon balls is, as I already said, the last arc showed the afterlife itself was broken. The villains escaped from hell and you're blaming the protagonists for being irresponsible? It wasn't some monster breaking hell, it wasn't some accident on the behalf of the ogres, the souls supposed to be cleansed for reincarnation just broke out, with an android no less. The universe is fundamentally flawed. Addressing why that happened and how to fix it is the only logical place for GT to go after that. I suggested manipulative creatures trying to guide creation to their liking because Dragon Ball is a fighter series.(it's also why I prefer the English dub's "negative energy", as it doesn't immediately draw attention to the fact the arc is built around a concept they just murdered in the last arc)

Another reason I'd hold off on a fic is that Majin Buu is kind of important to my pitch and the optimist in me is still waiting to see what interesting things they do with Uub and Buu. At first I was skeptical when I heard Buu was not Bibidi's creation but I never did like the fact they used "created death machine" twice in a row and once I got time to actually think about the implications of what Buu really is, I loved it.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#30182: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:27:20 PM

I have a question: the Black Star Dragon Balls have the ability to wish someone to die, correct?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30183: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:32:25 PM

Not sure.

I guess since they were made by Nameless, then provided the person you're trying to wish dead isn't stronger than Nameless Namek, then yes, they could.

Though all the balls can be used for such wishes for the same reason I think, and with the same caveats.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#30184: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:34:31 PM

I'm trying to confirm if this is true because the DBZ wikia says as such. It never hurts to double check.

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#30185: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:36:26 PM

Granted, given that Nameless and GT Piccolo are one and the same, a wish on those could probably kill anyone except a main character or arc villain.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30186: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:38:26 PM

So in other words, nobody actually important.

Well, I suppose Videl and Mr. Satan are screwed.

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#30187: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:40:38 PM

And Krillin/Yamcha/Tien, and the Androids, and probably Pan.

"Stronger than Piccolo" isn't something a lot of people can claim at that point.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#30188: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:04:00 PM

He did say nobody important.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#30189: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:31:36 PM

Wasn't Piccolo randomly Super Buu level in GT?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30190: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:49:46 PM

When he fought Baby possessed Gohan...who may or may not have gone mystic ultimate.

edited 2nd Dec '15 8:50:07 PM by randomness4

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#30191: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:10:22 PM

I don't think GT Gohan could do it as he went super Saiyan through that series as well Baby thinking Vegeta was a better host for him.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30192: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:14:15 PM

If Piccoro went Super Buu level power, he'd literally be stronger than everyone.

Kid Goku(GT) is weak as dinosaur bones.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30193: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:17:08 PM

No, he really isn't.

GT Goku is, like, stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30194: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:27:45 PM

...and that is obviously whack, isn't it? He was still in base form taking on both F and C, the only logical conclusion is HFIL makes you weaker.

If you're actually dead.

edited 2nd Dec '15 9:28:08 PM by randomness4

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#30195: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:34:57 PM

Not when his base form is supposed to be around the power he had as a Super Saiyan 3 in the Buu Saga, and even then he should be stronger than that during the Super 17 Saga, since his Super Saiyan form was actually able to put up a fight against Super 17 when Majuub couldn't, when beforehand Majuub was stronger than Goku as a Super Saiyan 3.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30196: Dec 3rd 2015 at 12:18:47 AM

Base GT Goku is fucking crazy powerful, what are you talking about? He's at least stronger than some form of Majin Boo, and Cell and Freeza were said to be a lot stronger than they were in life.

He also only needs his base form to fight Oob, during their "rematch" which should mean Oob had reached or surpassed Pure Boo's level.

[up] As well as that. GT Goku starts out absurdly strong and then decides to take it Up To Eleven.

edited 3rd Dec '15 12:19:40 AM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30197: Dec 3rd 2015 at 12:21:31 AM

Yeah, GT's power scale is pretty screwed. Base Goku is nearly as strong as he was as a Super Saiyan 3, and all the villains are scaled to that. Baby required Super Saiyan 4, Omega Shenron required Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#30198: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:19:13 AM

GT Goku is absurdly strong. In base he's stronger that a guy who was stronger than Buu and it only goes up from there. Then there's an power up he gets in between Baby and Super 17 saga's where he goes from being weaker than Majin Uub as SSJ3 to being stronger than him as SSJ1. And there's of course him toying with powered up versions of Cell and Freeza.

GT power-scale is all out of wack.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#30199: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:45:33 AM

Did they ever explain why the black star balls caused planets to explode?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30200: Dec 3rd 2015 at 1:49:17 AM

No they really didn't, but they didn't even have a good reason for why they existed either.

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