If I did that, I wouldn't have all the characters who could catch up be of the same species. Calls to mind the Puny Humans trope.
I was talking about Gohan vs Buu.
It was so utterly predictable that he would lose his ass off when he did fight after the powerup. (I think that moment was were I started my slide to getting bored of predictable Shōnen actually.
edited 22nd Apr '12 5:51:52 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!If Goku hadn't taken such a big Chekovs Gunman role in the arc I might have agreed with ya, the way he was handled it was clear he was going to fight again... Since that was clear you know Gohan can not win no matter what he does.
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!I'm actually a fan of works where The Hero does not necessarily beat the Big Bad. I would've been totally okay with Neville defeating Voldemort, for instance, something a lot of other fans of that work seemed to dread the thought of.
edited 22nd Apr '12 6:41:07 PM by HamburgerTime
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at that point in the story? How? Vegeta was gone from the story... I mean completely gone. Goku however....
It would have been nice but you know the publisher would never allow it... They even made sure Goku was involved in Cell's defeat. (at least toriyama did a good job with that though.)
Can't have our main character doing nothin
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!They should have at least let Piccolo defeat a Cell Jr.
How humiliating is that whole bit? And it's made even worse in the anime.
That wasn't in the manga. Vegeta and Trunks could at least fight the Cell Juniors.
Regardless, Toriyama seemed all for throwing the other characters under a bus so that Goku could mount their crumpled bodies to glory.
It all goes back to Tien getting his ass kicked by Drum. I love the KP Saga but he should not have been so utterly decimated. However that was just the beginning of how everyone would be marginalized and by the end, it was just absurd.
edited 22nd Apr '12 7:00:40 PM by Nikkolas
But... Gohan had already beaten Cell, and Toriyama had outright stated that Gohan would be the main character from now on at the very start of the Boo saga.
Started earlier than the KP saga. It was always present.
And the anime filler having Piccolo do better than Vegeta and Trunks was just stupid. Toei love to metaphorically fellate Piccolo almost as much as Goku.
Really? There were only three major and powerful characters up until the 22nd Tournament - Goku, Roshi and Krillin. Krillin was obviously always weaker than Goku but not by leaps and bounds.
I would argue the 22nd Tournament is when Goku started eclipsing people. The cast of fighters was just so small up until that point that it was really had to overshadow anyone.
...ya know, I just now remembered Yamcha was almost always there too. I now feel really bad for his character.
Early Dragon Ball was a massive Goku fest. He kept effortlessly beating up Kurilin from the moment they met, any time it looked like he had a weakness it was Worf Had the Flu, and if someone did outclass him it would just take some training before he utterly outpaced them forever.
At best, the good characters were only ever even with him and then surpassed the next time they're seen.
Well I still think that's better than the treatment they all get later on when:
it's Goku, Gohan and Vegeta
[infinite gap]
Everyone else
Also I watched a few episodes from the old Ocean dub of DBZ. What can i say about it? Well, humans in the dub are able to evacuate the entire city before Nappa can blow it up.
So every random fodder is vastly superhuman.
That's pretty cool.
Well I brought up the Cell Juniors for a reason. Do you honestly think anyone in Part 1 (since there is no "Z" in the mangam, I'll refer to them as Parts 1 and 2 from now on) was as humiliated as the non-Saiyans were in that "fight"?
Okay, maybe Yamcha vs. Kami in the 23rd Tournament but that's it.
edited 22nd Apr '12 10:50:19 PM by Nikkolas
