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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#3676: Nov 27th 2023 at 5:28:33 AM

Worse it just goes “Welp, Tiberium has evolved yet again!” and then magically has everything undone with the maps looking like <insert generic RTS/RTT title here>.

I would’ve expected things to look like a post apocalyptic hellhole like the Red Zone levels in TW.

And no Scrin? Not even their wreckages?

The story is flat out offensively bad. Bad setup (means Kane’s Wrath story was utterly irrelevant), bad execution, bad follow through, just utterly bad.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#3677: Nov 27th 2023 at 5:33:59 AM

Kane's Wrath wasn't meaningless. The main point was ultimately about getting the Tacitus to LEGION so that it could be stabilized. The stable Tacitus was the key to creating the Tiberium Control Network.

That said, the Scrin were indeed a wasted plot element.

Edited by M84 on Nov 27th 2023 at 9:34:43 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
EruditeEsotericist Since: May, 2015
#3678: Nov 30th 2023 at 4:01:37 AM

I REALLY wish the Tiberium FPS had been followed through to completion. Would have been a great game, and done so much for the lore and story.

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Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#3680: Dec 6th 2023 at 9:52:18 AM

A free-for-all skirmish in Kane's Wrath, where I play as vanilla GDI.

Continue writing our story of peace.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#3681: Dec 12th 2023 at 7:24:44 PM

In the Kane dossier that EA published on its website mere months before Tiberium Wars was released, there's a part where the in-universe writer of the document delves into Nod's mythic beliefs about they purport to be the real story behind Adam and Eve, and by proxy Kane's ancient history, with pretty much all of the juicy details being entirely composed of large blocks of censored text. Other, similarly censored parts of the text also allude to what is strongly implied to be important elements of Kane's mythical/historical backstory, connection to Tiberium, and what is almost certainly is the Tacitus.

What are your pet theories about what the censored portions hide?

Edited by MarqFJA on Dec 12th 2023 at 6:26:24 PM

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SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#3682: Dec 12th 2023 at 9:18:08 PM

[up]EALA posted up a lot of teaser content that sometimes didn't exactly jive with the canon (including a brief skit where Kane briefly kidnapped EA Apoc, the community manager who was ultimately rescued by another persona of his, EA Predator, or just how fuzzy the exact timefarme is for C&C Renegade), but this memo does ultimately line up with Kane's background as per the Tiberium Bible so I guess it's legit.

EDIT: After giving it a second look... the memo seems to favor more Kane being an actual religious figure, but all of the redactions make it impossible to discern any details, save for one. It mentioned Kane was active from 1995 to 2019. Keep in mind, the file was written before the 2nd Tiberium War. Which, much as I loathe it, gives more credit to the theory C&C Renegade (and by extension Tib Dawn) taking place in the 2010s.

Edited by SgtRicko on Dec 13th 2023 at 4:20:43 AM

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#3683: Dec 13th 2023 at 9:53:58 AM

The "Tiberium Bible"? You mean this thing?

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SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#3685: Dec 13th 2023 at 4:21:39 PM

Nah, not the canceled Tiberium game's bible, that thing's entirely non-canon. I meant the other one (which STILL has errors).

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#3686: Dec 13th 2023 at 9:12:10 PM

Oh, you mean the Command & Conquer Bible that was made from what appears to be prototypical material for Tiberian Sun?

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#3687: Dec 16th 2023 at 3:44:27 PM

BTW, anyone here that's familiar with The Second Tiberium War mod? I'm surprised that while its page has plenty of tropes about the gameplay, it's very lacking in entries pertaining to the storyline. I've been actually resorting to opening up videos from a playthrough and largely skipping through the missions to any part that seems to have dialogue in it, indicated by lines of yellow text in the top left (the mod makes heavy use of in-mission dialogue to progress the plot, and even has some "missions" that are essentially cinematic cutscenes using the game engine rather than FMVs), in order to quickly figure out what the story is about. So far, the greatest point of interest is that the GDI "hero" of the story (who is not you, the player; you are helping him along) has been studying ruins and temples that indicate not only were they built by an ancient civilization, but Tiberium had arrived on Earth far earlier than everyone had thought (except perhaps Kane; wouldn't surprise me if he knew that already), which is decisively proven in one mission set deep within one such temple, as we see large fields of Tiberium in several areas.

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3688: Dec 17th 2023 at 7:13:44 AM

So it's been here all along, just waiting for a catalyst of some sort to initiate widespread growth?

SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#3689: Dec 17th 2023 at 7:50:35 AM

I only played Twisted insurrection, and Tib Sun Warzone. And while I've seen The Second Tiberian War on Moddb, I've never tried it out since it strangely doesn't have much of a presence on Youtube, (where it's easy to find fans playing a wide variety of C&C mods) nor does the C&C community in general ever discuss it.

Might have to give it a try one day, would be cool to see how a navy in Tib Sun would work out...

Edited by SgtRicko on Dec 18th 2023 at 1:51:24 AM

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#3690: Dec 17th 2023 at 7:51:57 AM

[up][up]Not really. The temples and ruins were far away from Italy, where the 1995 meteorite impact that introduced the current Tiberium infestation to Earth is located. Like, the first site we see and the one where we get the exposition about Tiberium's pre-existence is in Siberia, and the next one is in some coastal desert area somewhere that's never clearly specified, though given that the next mission after the one inside the temple is on the other side of it and has a underground railroad that connects all the way to Norway, I assume that it's on the shores of the Caspian Seanote  (logically the western side, given that the map has the sea area dominate the eastern side). Oh, and if you're wondering how could there be ancient pryamids in that area given the total absence of such structures IRL, the location is explicitly described as a "dig site", implying that the structures were buried underground for millennia (similar to how some of Egypt's own numerous pyramids are/were buried beneath the sands for many centuries).

Edited by MarqFJA on Dec 17th 2023 at 6:52:53 PM

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we must dissent (it/they)
#3691: Dec 17th 2023 at 10:27:15 AM

...okay, but tiberium is famously infectious. If it had been on Earth since before the modern era, why didn't it xenoform the ecosystem long ago?

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#3692: Dec 17th 2023 at 2:31:36 PM

It's kinda implied that there's something strange going with the temple, especially given that it housed the freaking Tacitus. The ancient civilization that built it might have been technologically advanced precursors whose tech is not only apocalypse-proofed (makes you wonder how they perished to begin with) but is subtle enough to be undiscernable from all the seemingly primitive stone construction of the structure, and the tech within the temple (maybe even the structure's own material) is capable of containing the Tiberium within its bounds and suppressing its growth.

Edited by MarqFJA on Dec 17th 2023 at 1:32:05 PM

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we must dissent (it/they)
#3693: Dec 17th 2023 at 4:01:38 PM

I guess the problem is considering how long Kane has been on the planet, you'd think he'd have recovered and taken advantage of any existing deposits for his plan, instead of having to wait for a fresh bombardment.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#3694: Dec 17th 2023 at 6:56:42 PM

Basically, Kane needed three things for his true goal of getting the hell away from Earth.

  • A shitload of Tiberium.

  • The Tacitus since it had the info needed to exploit the Tiberium.

  • Civilization with the tech level needed to make use of said info.

If all three things were present on Earth that long ago, Kane would have enacted his plans much earlier.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#3695: Dec 17th 2023 at 7:14:48 PM

If simply leaving Earth was Kane’s main goal, that sounds like some very shitty writing.

Given this goal was from Tiberian Twilight which had very poor writing….

Otherwise he could’ve avoided everything (or gotten much more powerful) by simply spilling the beans and just asking for help.

But none of the writing save maybe the Mind Screw of the Tiberian Sun ending of the Nod campaign made anything close to such mentions. Even “ascension” was very nebulous but mostly sounded like Kane was planning on building humans up through Tiberium and then unleashing them as interstellar conquerors in his thrall.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#3696: Dec 17th 2023 at 7:26:01 PM

He presumably didn't trust humanity enough to simply ask for help. Even in Twilight he only approaches GDI with his offer when the situation becomes bad enough that GDI has no choice but to accept it.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#3697: Dec 17th 2023 at 8:19:12 PM

"Ascension" only came into the lore in Tiberium Wars, replacing Tiberian Sun's Divination (Tiberium-based elevation of human to a transhuman state) as the ultimate goal of Kane's plans.

BTW, I finished blitzing through The Second Tiberium War's playthrough that I found. Unfortunately, we don't get any further explanation on what secrets these ancient ruins hold, despite one of the very last missions revolving around GDI protecting the last of the six temples (all the others have fallen under Nod control by that point). The weirdest part is when Kane somehow managed to convince the UN leaders to cease supporting GDI and back Nod instead, with only a vague statement to the player that he's going to tell them how Vega (the non-protagonist GDI hero) and his agenda is a threat to them all. Talk about a Diabolus ex Machina.

Edited by MarqFJA on Dec 17th 2023 at 7:23:21 PM

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SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#3698: Dec 23rd 2023 at 7:40:12 PM

Act 3 for Mental Omega has been announced!

New CGI cutscenes are being created!

A preview of some of the new Phobos game engine features, including an accurate construction build timer, an idle harvester counter, building placement previews, unit selection priority (no more selecting harvesters by accident w/ click & drag), UI descriptions, and more.

Given how Mentalmeister previously stated Act 2 and it's 3.3.6 update was the finale, I'm surprised we're actually getting new content. Still gonna be a LOOOOONG time before we see anything concrete, let alone a final release, because due to it's very nature of being a mod that largely relies upon volunteer labor means progress will be painfully slow.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#3699: Dec 24th 2023 at 6:22:09 AM

Given how Mentalmeister previously stated Act 2 and it's 3.3.6 update was the finale

Where did he say that?

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Imca (Veteran)
#3700: Dec 24th 2023 at 8:50:26 AM

The post for the last major update when it came out, I remember it too.


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