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RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#3501: Jul 14th 2023 at 2:49:50 PM

I think a simple slider on how fast resources can regenerate would make it more fun for many people.

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#3502: Jul 14th 2023 at 3:13:03 PM

And that reminded me that there's already an option to set how many resources all players start with. Red Alert 3's maximum was very generous.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#3503: Jul 14th 2023 at 5:45:52 PM

^^ There is one in Red Alert Remastered’s skirmish mode. I don’t remember that feature being in the original game.

That said I know it’s devilishly easy to mod the original Red Alert’s resource regeneration rate. It doesn’t take much to make it spread so fast it literally covers every eligible map tile in short order.

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#3504: Jul 14th 2023 at 6:16:23 PM

Or make the ore harvests yield more credits. Not to mention expanding the (internal) size of silos and refineries. It's what I did with the remaster mods.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#3505: Jul 14th 2023 at 7:07:51 PM

I heard you can use old rules.ini on Red Alert Remastered. I’m going to have to test it out one day after beating all the levels because my old mod for RA 1 made at least one of levels unwinnable because of either extended weapon ranges (mostly), the various balance and design changes I did or causing bugs with mission triggers because i made power plants give more power. (A couple expansion missions have this issue.)

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#3506: Jul 14th 2023 at 7:30:42 PM

Indeed, that was the file that was modified in the Steam Workshop mod I installed (and modified myself to increase Tiberium/Ore yields immensely), as well as expanding the range of construction rights provided by other structures (mostly to make Tiberian Dawn use Red Alert 1's extension).

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Imca (Veteran)
#3507: Jul 14th 2023 at 11:37:51 PM

It didn't solve the issue of having excessive Chinooks/Supply Trucks once those supply docks ran out,

Chinooks were still useful even once the docks ran out.

SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#3508: Jul 15th 2023 at 2:22:50 AM

Same with workers, since they were both responsible for repairs and base construction. It's only the supply truck that became useless after a point, really.

I've heard some folks suggest turning them into some sort of cheap transport, scout unit, or armored gun truck as an upgrade option, but apparently nobody's ever implemented it in their mods for some reason.

Edited by SgtRicko on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:24:10 PM

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#3509: Jul 15th 2023 at 5:44:19 AM

To be fair the supply trucks are utterly forgettable from a mod perspective. Easy to miss.

Especially since they highly resemble civilian truck doodads.

The only logical auxiliary use for them would be as infantry transports but that then makes them no different than Chinooks.

It’s quite the quandary.

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3510: Jul 15th 2023 at 7:11:30 AM

Not if the infantry can fire out of the truck.

And before you ask what makes that any different from the Troop Crawler, the TC has no firing ports and destroying it ejects the infantry within, while the truck would take the infantry with it like a Humvee.

Imca (Veteran)
#3511: Jul 15th 2023 at 7:52:28 AM

Let you mount a gun to to the truck like a quad canon.

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#3512: Jul 15th 2023 at 10:02:25 AM

Sure, you could certainly use the Chinooks and Workers for something else, but when you want to expand to many areas, you're going to be stuck with a lot of them. And plenty of excess Supply Centers/Stashes too (and if you sold too many structures at once, the game would think you're losing and actually play the music accordingly; this is a recent discovery of mine).

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#3513: Jul 15th 2023 at 12:07:34 PM

I feel like that's a thing for every RTS that uses a harvester. Unless like StarCraft you have a population cap and so many mineral fields that it takes both sides an hour to mine out everything.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#3514: Jul 15th 2023 at 5:24:45 PM

and if you sold too many structures at once, the game would think you're losing and actually play the music accordingly; this is a recent discovery of mine

It’s based off critical structures. Supply depots, command centers, factories, airfields, tech buildings (black markets, Particle cannon uplinks, internet centers, etc), and barracks. Sell just one and it turns to the “losing” music. Have just one destroyed and it does that.

At least in skirmish/multiplayer.

You can sell all the power plants and base defenses you want and it’ll keep up the regular music.

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3515: Jul 16th 2023 at 2:11:34 AM

[up][up][up][up] ...that actually brought to mind the first Company of Heroes, where many transport-type halftracks can upgrade to better weapons at the cost of partially or completely sacrificing their cargo space. In particular, the US one can literally turn into a Quad Cannon.

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#3516: Jul 16th 2023 at 5:36:47 AM

Wait, the in-game music in Generals is dynamic? I thought it just shifted from one track to the other in a preset sequence.

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#3517: Jul 16th 2023 at 6:05:45 AM

[up]It normally is...except in that instance. Which is a shame, as the game really does have distinctive "idle" and "action" tracks, something that wouldn't be programmed proper until Red Alert 3.

Selling excess Supply Centers/Stashes was actually the first time I've ever heard said music tracks (this was less than two years ago when I was conquering every map in Generals again).

Edited by RainingMetal on Jul 16th 2023 at 6:06:32 AM

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#3518: Jul 16th 2023 at 2:05:08 PM

I assume these are the music tracks in question?

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RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#3519: Jul 16th 2023 at 3:33:30 PM

Generals has a set of "calm" music and "combat" music depending on the situation.

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#3520: Jul 16th 2023 at 3:56:52 PM

[up]It actually just plays the calm tracks before playing the combat tracks in a set playlist in the same order.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#3521: Jul 16th 2023 at 7:15:02 PM

Not gonna lie, sometimes I prefer the set music list (or a set list set to shuffle) of the old games over dynamic music.

Because in the old games you could manually set it to whatever you wanted for the situation at hand.

Like for example it made for some weirdness and awesomeness at the same time switching to Mechanical Man right before you go on the attack in Tiberian Dawn.

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#3522: Jul 16th 2023 at 7:29:26 PM

I think we can all agree that the games having neither method (Generals, Tiberium Wars) do it the worst.

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#3523: Jul 17th 2023 at 12:11:03 AM

I even forget that Tiberium Wars has battle music.

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SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#3524: Jul 17th 2023 at 4:31:43 AM

C&C3's soundtrack certainly gets used a lot in other sources of media though, especially on Youtube in the places you'd least expect. The ones I hear most frequently is Tiberian Influx and Aftermath.

Come to think of it, the same thing has happened with some of Frank Klepacki's tracks. I've heard a lot of his stuff used on Spike TV (back when it was still on air) the UFC fighting channels, and even ESPN.

Edited by SgtRicko on Jul 18th 2023 at 5:53:18 AM

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#3525: Jul 17th 2023 at 9:17:32 AM

^ I know Chinese app makers and assorted tech things love ripping off Hell March and a number of other earlier CNC tracks.


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